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VACList-Digest Friday, April 26, 2002 Issue 285
Today's Topics:
1. Re:
2. Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
3. Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
4. Re: Water heater Blockage
5. Help with new upholstry (how to?)
6. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
7. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
8. Re: Black Goop Cleaner
9. Aluminum for Belly Pan; Toyota Trucks
10. Re: Black Goop Cleaner
11. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
12. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
13. Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
14. Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
15. Re: Interior Layouts
16. Re: Aluminum
17. Re: Recommended Jack for '67 Caravel
18. Re: Aluminum
19. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
20. Re: Cyclo polishing pads
21. Re: Bowen water heater
22. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
23. Re: Toyota Trucks
24. Re: Cyclo polishing pads
25. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
26. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
27. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
28. Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
29. Re: SS Tow Balls
30. Re: SS Tow Balls
31. Re: SS Tow Balls
32. Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
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Message Number: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:40:43 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re:
My '68 owner's manual shows all the stock plans, but doesn't identify
them by name and option.
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.
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Message Number: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:15:16 -0700
From: daiv <millbrae@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
WARNING!
the use of airstream.us or any other domain extension will get you a
genuine OFFICIAL cease & desist order from Airstream's lawyers. Unless you
pay them and/or have authorization to use the name airstream they will not
permit the use of the name airstream on a website.
Ewan, you won't get shot, but you might have to pay Airstream or Thor Tech
Inc who owns Airstream, because you made money off of their property. If
you do sell the domain and the buyer get hit by Thor Inc., you may have to
repay the buyer too. Beware.
At 12:54 AM 4/26/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Everybody - I hope I don't get shot for posting this...
>
>As some of the folk here will know, I'm a bit of a collector
>of internet domain names, and I have got in my possession
>at the moment the names AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US.
>
>I've just put them up for auction on eBay, so if anybody is
>interested in them, you can view the auctions by typing
>http://www.airstream.us/ into your browser for the airstream.us
>domain, and http://www.airstreams.us/ for the airstreams.us
>auction. There's no reserve on them, but the auctions are
>only running for three days.
>
>If anybody wants to ask me any questions (or flame me) please
>contact me off-list by email at ewan@xxxxxxxxxx.com.
>
>Best Regards to all,
>
>Ewan McDonell
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
>http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
>
>When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
>
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:58:52 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
I was having a great time watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and then I
had to read this idiots attempt to suck some of the distinctiveness out
of the Airstream tradename, one of the most venerabloe and long held in
the USA.
Bob
Oceanside
----- Original Message -----
From: daiv
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
Evan wrote:
Hi Everybody - I hope I don't get shot for posting this...
As some of the folk here will know, I'm a bit of a collector
of internet domain names, and I have got in my possession
at the moment the names AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US.
I've just put them up for auction on eBay, so if anybody is
interested in them, you can view the auctions by typing=20
http://www.airstream.us/ into your browser for the airstream.us
domain, and http://www.airstreams.us/ for the airstreams.us=20
auction. There's no reserve on them, but the auctions are
only running for three days.
If anybody wants to ask me any questions (or flame me) please=20
contact me off-list by email at ewan@xxxxxxxxxx.com.
Best Regards to all,
Ewan McDonell
To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
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Message Number: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:32:49 -0400
From: "Whitlow Wyatt" <wwyatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Water heater Blockage
Thanks to all who replied about my Bowen water heater problems. It turns
out the inlet fitting was blocked with lime. I drilled it out, and now it
works fine.
I am camping this week. What a joy to have hot water.
Whit
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <wwyatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: Water heater Blockage
> Whit, I had exactly the same problem with my ' 68 Tradewind. The part of
the
> old Bowen that I could see from the outside behind the access door looked
> pretty gross too. I decided to replace the tank with a new 6 gal Atwood
> (which is the successor to Bowen) rather than futz around with it and even
> if I got some of the mineral deposits out, no way to tell how long before
it
> would it plug up again or got a hole and started leaking and I'd have to
> replace it anyway. 34-36 years is probably the life of a water heater
> anyway. I'm lucky if the one at home lasts 10 years. After I got the old
> Bowen out I could tell it was really plugged up. I can direct you to some
> sources for good prices on a new one if you decide to go that way.
>
> Jim Greene
>
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:16:18 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the
double.
The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle this
myself. Never have done anything like it before.
I never did a floor before either but I about finshed putting in new
vinyl tiles.
So, I am not afraid to try. Just need some how to info from some who
have don it before.
Thanks
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:45:31 -0700
From: "James E. Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
Tim:
If you don't already have the "commercial" sewing machine, you might spend that on tools and a lot of your
time getting to where you can do the job on the furniture...If your experience turns out like mine, you will
not be able to stand looking at the furniture when you are done..and the sewing machine used may never work
right again..
I have been an avid "do it yourself" proponent, but I have spent more than the quote, and wound up with a
bunch of tools that I won't use ever again, and a less than satisfactory end result...
If you were to take a second job somewhere, you would probably make the cash you need and wind up with a
nice looking couch... No experience gained in upholstery however...
If you decide to press on, I suggest a course at a community college or trade school... There is a lot to
learn...You just might make the investment back on the next job, helping someone else...
Good luck...
Jim Clark...Winter Texan "Freshout"
78 Safari 23'
86 Excella 32' w/ Hensley
02 Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab puller...
4/25/2002 8:16:18 PM, "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com> wrote:
>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:16:18 -0700
>
> From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject:[VAC] Help with new upholstry (how to?)
>
>
>
> I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the double.
>
> The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
>
> I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle this myself.
>
> Never have done anything like it before.
>
> I never did a floor before either but I about finshed putting in new vinyl
> tiles.
>
> So, I am not afraid to try. Just need some how to info from some who have
>
> don it before.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Tim
> tim@telecom-pros.com
> http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
> eFax (508) 590-0302
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:07:19 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
If your were living in the southwest I would recommend reupholstering in
Mexico. I'm sure the job could be done for less than $300 if you brought
the fabric and foam. That would net out at half your quote. Try getting
competitive bids with you providing the materials.
Bob
66 Safari in Oceanside
You wrote:
> > I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the
double.
> >
> > The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:23:42 -0700
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Black Goop Cleaner
Airstreams were made in NEW JERSEY????
"Karl F. Larsen" wrote:
> << This is a 1976 23 foot job that was made in New
> Jersey.>>
>
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:31:37 -0400
From: "Robert P. Connors" <rpconnors@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Aluminum for Belly Pan; Toyota Trucks
On my former '68 Caravel I also had to replace the aluminum on the belly
pan. Near Elkhart I purchased a small roll of aluminum at an RV surplus
place. It was for a mobile home, white on one side and natural aluminum
on the other. It worked fine and was very cheap ($10 I think).
On the subject of Toyota Pullers - I used to have an '88 extended cab
4WD pickup with the 3.0 V6, pulled my '63 Tradewind 24 with no problems.
Hitch Works in Lansing, MI had no problems with fitting a factory built
frame hitch to it. That truck had a 5 speed with a 4.11 ratio rear end -
pulled good, but I had to get the real big temporary mirrors to see
around the trailer and never used 5th gear (overdrive).
Bob Connors WBCCI 9398 '73 25' Tradewind
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:44:59 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <k5di@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Black Goop Cleaner
Upps it was first sold in New Jersey.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Rik & Susan Beeson wrote:
> Airstreams were made in NEW JERSEY????
>
> "Karl F. Larsen" wrote:
>
> > << This is a 1976 23 foot job that was made in New
> > Jersey.>>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, k5di@xxxxxxxxxx.net (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:37:25 EDT
From: NotoriousBuz@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
In a message dated 4/25/2002 11:25:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tim@telecom-pros.com writes:
>
> I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the
> double.
>
> The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
>
> I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle this myself.
> Never have done anything like it before.
>
Did the price include new foam? Without the foam it seems a bit salty to me
also.
J.L.Dietz #4361
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:37:11 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
The high price of custom upholstery is why they make slip covers and
throws. There's a fair chance that some department store has stock
zippered slip covers to fit most of the cushions, and the carcass can be
hid under a matching throw for a small cost. Won't last forever, won't
have the perfection of fine custom upholstery, but works.
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:52:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
as the owner of airstream-bohemia.com - i have never
received this letter.
Toby
--- daiv <millbrae@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>
> WARNING!
>
> the use of airstream.us or any other domain
> extension will get you a
> genuine OFFICIAL cease & desist order from
> Airstream's lawyers. Unless you
> pay them and/or have authorization to use the name
> airstream they will not
> permit the use of the name airstream on a website.
>
> Ewan, you won't get shot, but you might have to pay
> Airstream or Thor Tech
> Inc who owns Airstream, because you made money off
> of their property. If
> you do sell the domain and the buyer get hit by Thor
> Inc., you may have to
> repay the buyer too. Beware.
>
>
>
> At 12:54 AM 4/26/02 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Everybody - I hope I don't get shot for posting
> this...
> >
> >As some of the folk here will know, I'm a bit of a
> collector
> >of internet domain names, and I have got in my
> possession
> >at the moment the names AIRSTREAM.US and
> AIRSTREAMS.US.
> >
> >I've just put them up for auction on eBay, so if
> anybody is
> >interested in them, you can view the auctions by
> typing
> >http://www.airstream.us/ into your browser for the
> airstream.us
> >domain, and http://www.airstreams.us/ for the
> airstreams.us
> >auction. There's no reserve on them, but the
> auctions are
> >only running for three days.
> >
> >If anybody wants to ask me any questions (or flame
> me) please
> >contact me off-list by email at
> ewan@xxxxxxxxxx.com.
> >
> >Best Regards to all,
> >
> >Ewan McDonell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format,
> please go to
> >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
> >When replying to a message, please delete all
> unnecessary original text
> >
> >
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:51:21 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
Funny how time changes perceptions. Ewan was the founder of The VACList
in 1997, and obtained the domains airstream.net and airstream.org and
put up the first vintage airstream website, all of which the VAC
purchased in 1999.
You might call Ewan the father of the VAC website.
And that's the rest of the story....
RJ
Current VAC Webmaster
-----Original Message-----
From: myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:59 PM
To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
I was having a great time watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and then
I had to read this idiots attempt to suck some of the distinctiveness
out of the Airstream tradename, one of the most venerabloe and long
held in the USA.
Bob
Oceanside
----- Original Message -----
From: daiv
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
Ewan wrote:
Hi Everybody - I hope I don't get shot for posting this...
As some of the folk here will know, I'm a bit of a collector
of internet domain names, and I have got in my possession
at the moment the names AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US.
I've just put them up for auction on eBay, so if anybody is
interested in them, you can view the auctions by typing
http://www.airstream.us/ into your browser for the airstream.us
domain, and http://www.airstreams.us/ for the airstreams.us
auction. There's no reserve on them, but the auctions are
only running for three days.
If anybody wants to ask me any questions (or flame me) please
contact me off-list by email at ewan@xxxxxxxxxx.com.
Best Regards to all,
Ewan McDonell
------------------------------
Message Number: 15
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:08:36 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Interior Layouts
The best bet is the Airstream brochures/catalogs on the VAC Members
online library.
http://www.airstream.org
Remember that almost every Airstream delivered was custom to the buyer,
and the shown layouts were just a starting point. Combine that with
past modification by prior owners, and each Airstream you look at will
be a new adventure.
Also, Digest users, please delete all the old unneeded Digest text when
replying back. You will find out today why when you receive today's
Digest, as it will also now contain yesterdays Digest in it...
RJ
VAC Webmaster
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ibrod2@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:ibrod2@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:26 PM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
>
> Were can I get info on floor plans for 1965 to 1970's
> Bambi's, Caravels, and
> or Globetrotters?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:04 PM
>Subject: [VAC]
> VACList-Digest Thursday, April 25, 2002 Issue 284
> Today's Topics:
> 1. Re: Sealant vs. Plasticoat
>
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Message Number: 16
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:12:53 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Aluminum
I get all my aluminum locally. Start in the yellow pages. I use a
place called Metal Supermarkets - they have outlets all over the USA,
Canada & UK. They .024 2024, too.
http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/
RJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dkparins@ez-net.com [mailto:dkparins@ez-net.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:17 AM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Aluminum
>
> I'm still looking for a source for aluminum to match the
> belly of my 1962.
> I tried the service center in Jackson Center but they
> indicated they don't
> have it. Andy from Inland RV stated earlier that this is .024 inch
> aluminum. I have ordered a catalog from Aircraft Spruce but
> I did not see
> any .024 inch aluminum on their web site. Garnett suggested
> 5052 aluminum
> would be a good choice but I don't see that in .024 inch thickness .
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Dick
> 1962 Bambi
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:28:07 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Recommended Jack for '67 Caravel
We carry a little 3ton hydraulic bottle jack and a short piece of 2x8
for our '65 Caravel. Fits under the frame (jack point) just aft of the
wheel, even with a flat tire. Got it from Harbor Freight
(http://www.harborfreight.com) just for this purpose. It's clean and
light compared to all my big hydraulic jacks.
RJ
'65 Caravel
'57 Flying Cloud
> -----Original Message-----
> From: huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:35 AM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Cc: huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Recommended Jack for '67 Caravel
>
> The only jack I have around which could serve for our '67
> Caravel is an old Scissors Jack, as old as the Caravel.
> Whereas it seemed a bit exotic compared to the bumber jacks
> of that day, it does not give confidence under the Caravel.
> What do you all recommend these days?
>
> Huff... planning to head off to Missoula, MT and Glacier
> Park next month.
>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:31:20 -0500
From: "Jeff Griffin" <mrfurious007@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
<P>RJ:</P>
<P>I was amazed at the money I saved getting my aluminum locally versus ordering it online.</P>
<P>Jeff<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
<DIV></DIV>>To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACLIST@xxxxxxxxxx.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [VAC] Re: Aluminum
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:12:53 -0700
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I get all my aluminum locally. Start in the yellow pages. I use a
<DIV></DIV>>place called Metal Supermarkets - they have outlets all over the USA,
<DIV></DIV>>Canada & UK. They .024 2024, too.
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/
<DIV></DIV>>RJ
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > From: dkparins@ez-net.com [mailto:dkparins@ez-net.com]
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:17 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: [VAC] Aluminum
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I'm still looking for a source for aluminum to match the
<DIV></DIV>> > belly of my 1962.
<DIV></DIV>> > I tried the service center in Jackson Center but they
<DIV></DIV>> > indicated they don't
<DIV></DIV>> > have it. Andy from Inland RV stated earlier that this is .024 inch
<DIV></DIV>> > aluminum. I have ordered a catalog from Aircraft Spruce but
<DIV></DIV>> > I did not see
<DIV></DIV>> > any .024 inch aluminum on their web site. Garnett suggested
<DIV></DIV>> > 5052 aluminum
<DIV></DIV>> > would be a good choice but I don't see that in .024 inch thickness .
<DIV></DIV>> > Any help would be appreciated.
<DIV></DIV>> > Dick
<DIV></DIV>> > 1962 Bambi
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
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<DIV></DIV>>http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
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Message Number: 19
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:33:48 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
Tim, if there is more than one source get other quotes. Redoing all my
upholstery by a professional ran about $700 but I got higher quotes.
There is a big difference in fabric cost which was incomprehensible to
me as I knew nothing about fabric until I gave myself a crash course on
wear resistance, sun fading, comfort, composition, dyes, etc. The first
fabric I liked was $49/yard. The fabric I used was less than half that
and I liked it just as well. Even better considering the price. ;-)
Everyone says it looks original.
Another variable is the estimate of how much fabric it will take. The
estimates were widely different. And finally, the upholsterer can use a
less expensive fabric on the bottom of the couch cushions that never
show and that will save some money too.
I would never attempt to recover the cushions or make new drapes myself.
That's not my expertise. It's not as easy for a inexperienced person as
it looks (or it wouldn't be pricey).
YMMV.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shephard
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 23:16
Subject: [VAC] Help with new upholstry (how to?)
I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the
double.
The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle this
myself. Never have done anything like it before.
I never did a floor before either but I about finshed putting in new
vinyl tiles.
So, I am not afraid to try. Just need some how to info from some who
have don it before.
Thanks
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 20
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:49:34 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Cyclo polishing pads
The answer is yes, once the pads get any buildup of aluminum
oxide/polish mud on them they become swirling pieces of sandpaper (I
know from experience). While you can delay this by constantly
changing/cleaning the pads with solvent, this becomes rather tedious.
That's why I've become a convert to the sweatshirt material over the
cyclo pads method, you are able to quickly rotate to another spot
before any build-up occurs.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:34 PM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Cyclo polishing pads
>
>
> can you tell me does the Cyclo polisher rotate in a
> circular polishing
> motion? If so do you get a swirl patern on the finished
> surface? Gerald
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:57:53 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Bowen water heater
Rick,
The valve will continue to turn 360degs without the knob. It's the
knob/external stop that provides the detents, combined with the push to
turn operation of the valve. The shaft is indexed to the knob flat.
You may be trying to light the pilot not in the pilot position, and as
soon as you release, it will go out. The Honeywell control used by
Bowen has many parts still available at small appliance parts
distributors (the places you go to get oven elements, etc), and the
knob is one of them. That control was used on almost every
1950's-1980's gas appliance (Robertshaw was #2).
RJ
'65 Caravel (w/Honeywell control)
-----Original Message-----
From: farreach@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:farreach@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:46 AM
To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAC] Bowen water heater
Help! I have a Bowen water heater with Honeywell controlls. The
on/off/pilot knob has fallen off and I can't determine what position
the controls are in. Turning the knob shaft, in both directions, I
can't find any stops. It just keeps turning. I can fire up the burner
by putting the knob on and pushing it in, but no matter how long I hold
it in, when I let go everything goes out.
Does anyone have ideas about this or maybe your knob has fallen off too.
Thanks,
Rick Langer
'66 GlobeTrotter
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Message Number: 22
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:07:45 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
We agree with Jim. We (Krista) did our own upholstery on the Caravel,
including new foam and material. Cost was about $420 in materials (not
counting the HD sewing machine - but don't forget needles, thread,
zippers, welting, etc). She spent 3 weekends on them. They look great,
but after realizing that a nearby upholstery shop specializing in
vehicles could have done it for only $300 more, she made me swear that
our Flying Cloud undergoing restoration will have them done
commercially. She'll stick with the curtains...
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
-----Original Message-----
From: drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:34 AM
To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Cc: drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAC] Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
Tim, if there is more than one source get other quotes. Redoing all my
upholstery by a professional ran about $700 but I got higher quotes.
There is a big difference in fabric cost which was incomprehensible to
me as I knew nothing about fabric until I gave myself a crash course on
wear resistance, sun fading, comfort, composition, dyes, etc. The first
fabric I liked was $49/yard. The fabric I used was less than half that
and I liked it just as well. Even better considering the price. ;-)
Everyone says it looks original.
Another variable is the estimate of how much fabric it will take. The
estimates were widely different. And finally, the upholsterer can use a
less expensive fabric on the bottom of the couch cushions that never
show and that will save some money too.
I would never attempt to recover the cushions or make new drapes
myself. That's not my expertise. It's not as easy for a inexperienced
person as it looks (or it wouldn't be pricey).
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Message Number: 23
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:25:38 -0500
From: ThisIsJohn <thisisjohn@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Toyota Trucks
At 06:31 AM 4/26/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>On the subject of Toyota Pullers - I used to have an '88 extended cab 4WD
>pickup with the 3.0 V6, pulled my '63 Tradewind 24 with no problems. Hitch
>Works in Lansing, MI had no problems with fitting a factory built frame
>hitch to it. That truck had a 5 speed with a 4.11 ratio rear end - pulled
>good, but I had to get the real big temporary mirrors to see around the
>trailer and never used 5th gear (overdrive).
>
>Bob Connors WBCCI 9398 '73 25' Tradewind
Did you have a sway control hitch for this rig? What was your typical
highway speed while you were pulling?
Thanks... John
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Message Number: 24
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:29:28 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Cyclo polishing pads
A really smart Airstream guy (now deceased) addressed the question of
cleaning polishing pads a couple of years ago.
>I got the Aero Buff pads, as shown on the Internet
>site, with velcro backing, they make all the
>difference. I clean them by spinning in a bucket of
>soapy water and spin dry.
- Bill Scott 2000
There are obvious safety issues with this technique but I used it and it
does work well.
Bob
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 25
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:57:00 EDT
From: Asdf1009@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
In a message dated 4/26/2002 8:39:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NotoriousBuz@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
>
The foam is the expensive part...I spent about $100 per cushion (2 twins, one
couch = 4 cushions) just for the foam...and the covers were about $40 for
each cushion, and I provided the material....so I spent about $700. Now, I
didnt' need "upholstry" done, just cushion covers made....
Good luck -
John
-
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Message Number: 26
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:58:00 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
No new foam.
I got a second estimate today, at $730. That including steam cleaning
the foam.
So its getting down. I have one more place to try....
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: NotoriousBuz@xxxxxxxxxx.com
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:37 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
In a message dated 4/25/2002 11:25:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tim@telecom-pros.com writes:
I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and the
double.
The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle this
myself. Never have done anything like it before.
Did the price include new foam? Without the foam it seems a bit salty
to me also.=20
J.L.Dietz #4361=20
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Message Number: 27
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:48:30 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
Fabric may stain and look unsightly but foam is the structure upon which
your couch/bed is built. We are already beginning with very old foam
that has lost much of its resiliancy. Now we're going to pay to steam
clean this old foam, which will further break it down.
I recommend getting the best quality dense foam . . . if you see your
Airstream as a keeper.
I have the original upholstery in my 66 Safari. Last summer I built a
wine rack over the side couch and got some cheap red wine, which leaked.
I tried fabric cleaner and rug cleaner and general purpose cleaners
like 409. For a year I lived with ugly red stains.
Then, the other day, I was in WalMart and spotted a bottle of Folex
"Instant carpet spot remover". After so many flops I decided to read
the label carefully.
- No rinsing
- Over 30 years of success
- Removes (among other things) red wine
The directions indicate that it is "safe, non-toxic, non-magnetic (like
who cares) and odor free". It's non aeresol, so you just pump it on and
rub it in with your hand and then dab it off and according to Folex
"SPOTS WILL DISAPPEAR INSTANTLY".
It sounded like snake oil to this born sceptic but I bought a bottle. I
had nothing to lose except four bucks and maybe the red wine stains.
It worked! I now have a stain free couch. I thought this might help
those who are considering reupholstery for cosmetic reasons.
http://www.folex.net
Bob
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shephard
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
No new foam.
I got a second estimate today, at $730. That including steam cleaning
the foam.
So its getting down. I have one more place to try....
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: NotoriousBuz@xxxxxxxxxx.com
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:37 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
In a message dated 4/25/2002 11:25:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tim@telecom-pros.com writes:
I took all my couches out of my '71 Safari today, two twins, and
the double.
The upholstry place quoted $977.00!! A little to steep for me.
I will get another quote but it looks like I may have to takle
this myself. Never have done anything like it before.
Did the price include new foam? Without the foam it seems a bit
salty to me also.
J.L.Dietz #4361
------------------------------
Message Number: 28
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:24:10 -0400
From: Jim Dunmyer <jdunmyer@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Help with new upholstry (how to?)
RJ,
If my coach required reupholstery, I'd probably elect to DIY (or my
wife would). It was mentioned by someone else that they tried it, and
the job turned out less-than-satisfactorily. Well, now:
Even the "pros" weren't born with their skills, they had to learn them,
and I'll guarantee that they did some poor work during the learning
phase. Here's my suggestions:
A huge mistake that many folks make when undertaking a "new" task is to
dive right in, using the stuff that they want in the final job. If I was
trying to learn to make dovetail joints in wood, I'd NOT use that
expensive walnut and attempt to make a drawer for the project I'm
working on. I'd grab a piece of cheap ol' pine and practice a bit. If I
was to attempt reupholstery, I'd use old bedsheets or even buy new ones,
and have at it. Once I knew what I was doing, I'd dive into the
$25.00/yard fabric. Having lots of experience in doing things 'wrong',
(<<grin>>), I'd probably still do a less-than-professional job. However,
unless it's really bad, chances are good that only *I* would really notice.
Someone also pointed out that night classes are available. Years ago, my
wife took such a class under the auspices of the local HS. She recovered
a Simmons Hide-A-Bed in the class and later re-did the job after the
cats destroyed it. The classes are usually not too expensive, surely
less than the labor cost of the 'pros', and you have the guidance of the
instructor. Best of all, if you mess up, you're not working with
anything that involves the safety of your rig. I'd not suggest that
someone learn to weld during the fabrication and installation of a hitch!
Anyway, it isn't always about money: I've done many projects that ended
up saving me little or nothing when it was all added up. But, the
satisfaction of being able to say, "*I* did it myself" is worth a whole
bunch. And, I never fail to learn something in the process. Take a look
at my GenSet project (see SIG); I'm not done with it yet, and have
REALLY gotten some education in the process. :-(
<<Jim>>
RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> We agree with Jim. We (Krista) did our own upholstery on the Caravel,
> including new foam and material. Cost was about $420 in materials (not
> counting the HD sewing machine - but don't forget needles, thread,
> zippers, welting, etc). She spent 3 weekends on them. They look great,
> but after realizing that a nearby upholstery shop specializing in
> vehicles could have done it for only $300 more, she made me swear that
> our Flying Cloud undergoing restoration will have them done
> commercially. She'll stick with the curtains...
>
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
>
--
<<http://www.oldengine.org/members/jdunmyer>>
<<jdunmyer@xxxxxxxxxx.com>>
<<lower SE Michigan, USA>>
<<mailto:jdunmyer@xxxxxxxxxx.com>>
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Message Number: 29
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:01:28 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: SS Tow Balls
While searching for a tow ball (2" with a 3/4" shank) I came across an
unusual item at Pep Boys. It was a solid stainless steel tow ball.
Unfortunately there was only one on the shelf and it was the wrong size. So
I made the inquiry at they're parts department and found out some good
stuff.
The company making the SS tow balls is call "Bully" and they are owned by
Reese! Pep Boys has just picked up the line and will all sizes for sale in
one or two weeks. They also carry SS Bully/Reese hitch arms. The balls are
pricey, averaging over $30 each, but it's better than having to smear grease
over and cover with a Dixie cup.
Bob
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 30
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:43:18 -0600
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: SS Tow Balls
I've tried the stainless tow balls and they work fine but using stainless
doesn't mean you don't have to lube them. They will still wear if you
don't. Since I tow several types of trailers, I started using a convert a
ball. It is stainless with a 10,000 capacity and I can change ball sizes in
about 10 seconds. JC Whitney used to carry them, but I didn't find them in
the catalog I have now. I've also seen them at marine stores. Not that
pricey - about $45, but with 3 ball sizes I think it is a bargain. I have
seen them at shows both rv and marine, but they normally want about $75 for
a set.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net]On Behalf Of
My Airstream
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:01 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: SS Tow Balls
While searching for a tow ball (2" with a 3/4" shank) I came across an
unusual item at Pep Boys. It was a solid stainless steel tow ball.
Unfortunately there was only one on the shelf and it was the wrong size. So
I made the inquiry at they're parts department and found out some good
stuff.
The company making the SS tow balls is call "Bully" and they are owned by
Reese! Pep Boys has just picked up the line and will all sizes for sale in
one or two weeks. They also carry SS Bully/Reese hitch arms. The balls are
pricey, averaging over $30 each, but it's better than having to smear grease
over and cover with a Dixie cup.
Bob
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 31
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:42:05 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: SS Tow Balls
Bob, why will you not have to lubricate a stainless ball? In many
applications I am familiar with, stainless will gall worse that other alloys
without high tech lubricants. Must be something new.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 19:01
Subject: [VAC] Re: SS Tow Balls
> While searching for a tow ball (2" with a 3/4" shank) I came across an
> unusual item at Pep Boys. It was a solid stainless steel tow ball.
> Unfortunately there was only one on the shelf and it was the wrong size.
So
> I made the inquiry at they're parts department and found out some good
> stuff.
>
> The company making the SS tow balls is call "Bully" and they are owned by
> Reese! Pep Boys has just picked up the line and will all sizes for sale
in
> one or two weeks. They also carry SS Bully/Reese hitch arms. The balls
are
> pricey, averaging over $30 each, but it's better than having to smear
grease
> over and cover with a Dixie cup.
>
> Bob
> Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 32
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:55:28 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
I believe that you can also call Ewan the father of the AirstreamList,
and of the Airstream Web Ring. He has contributed a great deal to those of
us who use the internet for information on our trailers. His posting should
not have provoked any flames. I personally think that an apology is in
order.
-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: <RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
> Funny how time changes perceptions. Ewan was the founder of The VACList
> in 1997, and obtained the domains airstream.net and airstream.org and
> put up the first vintage airstream website, all of which the VAC
> purchased in 1999.
> You might call Ewan the father of the VAC website.
> And that's the rest of the story....
> RJ
> Current VAC Webmaster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:59 PM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
>
>
> I was having a great time watching "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and then
> I had to read this idiots attempt to suck some of the distinctiveness
> out of the Airstream tradename, one of the most venerabloe and long
> held in the USA.
> Bob
> Oceanside
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: daiv
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 6:15 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US
> Ewan wrote:
> Hi Everybody - I hope I don't get shot for posting this...
> As some of the folk here will know, I'm a bit of a collector
> of internet domain names, and I have got in my possession
> at the moment the names AIRSTREAM.US and AIRSTREAMS.US.
> I've just put them up for auction on eBay, so if anybody is
> interested in them, you can view the auctions by typing
> http://www.airstream.us/ into your browser for the airstream.us
> domain, and http://www.airstreams.us/ for the airstreams.us
> auction. There's no reserve on them, but the auctions are
> only running for three days.
> If anybody wants to ask me any questions (or flame me) please
> contact me off-list by email at ewan@xxxxxxxxxx.com.
> Best Regards to all,
> Ewan McDonell
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