VAL Digest V1 #95

VAL Digest         Saturday, December 13 2003         Volume 01 : Number 095




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Re: 74 for sale in AZ
[VAL] Buy, Sell & Trade Airstreams
RE: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)
[VAL] shower heads
RE: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)
RE: [VAL]leaky Airstreams
Re: [VAL] shower heads
RE: [VAL] shower heads
[VAL] Bike Racks
[VAL] Front mounted hitch (was:  Bike Racks)
Re: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] shower heads
[VAL] Shower parts
Re: [VAL] Shower parts
Re: [VAL] Shower parts

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:19:40 EST
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: 74 for sale in AZ

There's a 74 "35foot" sovereign for sale in Prescott Az
I went to see it and it's not all that.
Anyone who's seen the add and wants to know about it...Email me offlist.
AlanT
Phx Az
74 Safari

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:57:46 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Buy, Sell & Trade Airstreams

Hi Gang,
Through the website I get many offer/inquiries from people wanting to
sell their Airstream, or uncles old Airstream, and so on.  Some people
have overinflated ideas of worth - I try and pop those, others are
interested in just getting rid of it for free, and then everything in
between.
 
I have been directing them over the years to the VAC Classifieds, but
have found many people are more interested in having someone else do the
selling aspect.  I recently have been directing these sellers, and
occcasional buyers, to individuals around the country who buy, trade &
sell Airstream trailers.
 
I don't have any such arrangement yet in the Southwest (So. Calif &
Arizona) and the South (Texas up to mid Atlantic).  If you are such an
individual with the resources, desire and time to buy and sell
airstreams for profit, contact me offlist and we'll see what develops.
 
I get many interesting offers from people who stumble across the site
researching that old trailer they have.  I have enough trailers to keep
me busy, so I've passed on many an interesting offer.
 
RJ Dial 
VintageAirstream.com
webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:35:50 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

That's the most noticeable difference. Could be a '56 model first sold &
registered in 1957.  What's the serial number?
RJ
VintageAirstream.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu [mailto:jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)
>

>    Work continues on the Bubble, which I'm starting to think
> may not be
> a '57 at all but maybe a '56. Is the number of aluminum panels, front
> and rear, the main criteria? Ours has the funny shaped "corner-stone"
> section.
> Jo Ann

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:36:20 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] shower heads

Dear Listers:
    It's coming down to crunch time on my '57(?)Bubble rebuild and I 
still haven't found a hand held shower head that'll work in my teeny 
bathroom. I need the faucet water controller too unless a shower head 
exists that has on/off/volume/temp stuff on the handle - which would be 
a miracle. I've checked a lot of sources, RV, boat supply, 
McMaster-Carr, and done a "Dog Pile" search that took 3 nights work. 
Any ideas. The plumbing has to go in any day now and I'm considering a 
90 mile drive to check out a West Marine store - their catalogs have 
some stuff that might work but I can't tell til I see it. Probably 
looked right at one online or somewhere and didn't recognize the 
features - getting a little punchy here.
Jo Ann
p.s. Bought the Cozy Cabin heater from Sailnet and it was on sale for 
$249, no tax, no shipping! Yeah for them.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:47:10 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

>     So to recap, I need:
>     1.  An exact replacement white plastic latch.

Almost any Airstream dealer:
http://vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_suppliers.html#dealers

>     2.  An exact replacement hand crank for the overhead vent
> (or two so I
> can have one spare).

Does it still have the LeDeux opener, or is it a Phillips?  LeDeux T
handles your're outta luck, Phillips crank handles are still available.

>     3.  The curtain slides for the existing slide track.
>

Bent metal C Channel or extruded aluminum type? (many styles were used).
What's the slot opening size?

>
>     The plate outside by the door reads: C33FJ above the
> words Land Yacht
> A travel Trailer and below that,

0 = Landyacht option package (standard)
18 = 18 foot Caravel
D = Double Bed Layout
9 = 1969
S = California factory
508 = sequence # (california factory that year)

so I assume it's
> #508.  What
> does all the rest of the numbering mean?
>

Best of luck,
RJ

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:55:59 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL]leaky Airstreams

You'll find that skin panle seams almost never leak, as the whole
overlap between the two skins is filled with a wide band of sealant.
Almost always it will be "extra holes" in the field of the skin panels
as Daisy has noted: A/C mount holes, awning supports and rails,
antennas, lights, owner "add-ons", screws.  Many window styles will leak
too, and they can be found with the two person water hose method.
Best of luck,
RJ

>
> Before fixing anything, you should get 4 tubes of Vulkem and attack
> every single seam on the trailer, and every place there is a
> hole cut in
> the skin.  The awings are notorious, the flexing losens the
> rivets and
> bolts. You might think you could find the leak and just fix
> that. Sadly,
> the cause of the leak is probably miles from the wet spot.
> And anyway,
> if you have one or two, you will have four next year. Nobody
> tells you
> about this part. It's true for other RV's as well.
>
> check the archives for other people's techniques for calking.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:11:43 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] shower heads

I believe Alsons has what you want. Their hand shower # 460K Classic looks
like the original. Their web page is www.alsons.com

Jim
61 Bambi
63 Avion T-20
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: [VAL] shower heads


> Dear Listers:
>     It's coming down to crunch time on my '57(?)Bubble rebuild and I
> still haven't found a hand held shower head that'll work in my teeny
> bathroom. I need the faucet water controller too unless a shower head
> exists that has on/off/volume/temp stuff on the handle - which would be
> a miracle. I've checked a lot of sources, RV, boat supply,
> McMaster-Carr, and done a "Dog Pile" search that took 3 nights work.
> Any ideas. The plumbing has to go in any day now and I'm considering a
> 90 mile drive to check out a West Marine store - their catalogs have
> some stuff that might work but I can't tell til I see it. Probably
> looked right at one online or somewhere and didn't recognize the
> features - getting a little punchy here.
> Jo Ann
> p.s. Bought the Cozy Cabin heater from Sailnet and it was on sale for
> $249, no tax, no shipping! Yeah for them.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:12:45 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] shower heads

The original high quality chrome shower head used by Airstream in the
late '50's and 1960's is still made.  VanDykes is one place that carries
it at a very decent price.

http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000659/

The matching chrome flex hose, wall mount holders (2 styles) and control
valves are available too.

See here for a complete vintage install:
http://vintageairstream.com/myrtle_tour_int.html
(bottom of page)

Best of luck,
RJ


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu [mailto:jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:36 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Cc: jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu
> Subject: [VAL] shower heads
>
>
> Dear Listers:
>     It's coming down to crunch time on my '57(?)Bubble rebuild and I
> still haven't found a hand held shower head that'll work in my teeny
> bathroom. I need the faucet water controller too unless a shower head
> exists that has on/off/volume/temp stuff on the handle -
> which would be
> a miracle. I've checked a lot of sources, RV, boat supply,
> McMaster-Carr, and done a "Dog Pile" search that took 3 nights work.
> Any ideas. The plumbing has to go in any day now and I'm
> considering a
> 90 mile drive to check out a West Marine store - their catalogs have
> some stuff that might work but I can't tell til I see it. Probably
> looked right at one online or somewhere and didn't recognize the
> features - getting a little punchy here.
> Jo Ann

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:41:59 -0500
From: Rick Langer <farreach@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Bike Racks

I've carried bikes many different ways, the worst was in the trailer. I have
not carried them behind the trailer, but one must work out the best solution
for their set up. My current solution was to adapt a fork mount Thule (from
a previously owned passenger car) to clamp into the front stake holes on my
pickup. It works well. It will hold three bikes without them touching, keeps
them as clean as any other method, they are locked to the truck and putting
them in and out couldn't be easier. Depending how the handle bars line up
you could hold four bikes this way.

Gerald or anyone, can you tell me a source for a front mounted hitch?
Thanks.

Rick Langer
'66 GT #3847

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:56:01 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Front mounted hitch (was:  Bike Racks)

I recently had one made by Draw-Tite installed on my F-250 PSD.  It mounts
behind the grill, but is easily accessible.

Check this site out:

http://www.drawtite-hitches.com/front_mount/frontmount_main.htm

Roger

Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:23:29 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Racks

Its been nearly four year since I was last shopping for a hitch. But a
google search on the two phrases "front receiver" "reese hitch" turned
up a few hits. Just searching the Reese Hitch web page should turn up
theirs.
http://casey.stvin.org/wilma/xj-list/199811/msg00302.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/archive/topic/97506.html
http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/12940962/gotomsg/12941259.cfm
http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/11521238/gotomsg/12098071.cfm
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/12872983/gotomsg/12904455.cfm

One of the many google advertisements included
http://www.cheaphitches.com with front hitches for some lines at:
http://www.cheaphitches.com/store/catalog/default.php?cPath=21_59&osCsid=31068116aa83232e3d55da01329b4102

>From this two minute search, I'd say that at least Draw-tite and Reese
sell them. I can't dig deeper because what each has may depend some on
the vehicle and what fits mine may not fit yours.

Gerald J.
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:35:05 -0600
From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <david@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

If your tow vehicle is a Pick Up, Bike racks that mount in the bed of the 
Pick Up work just fine.

At 11:33 AM 12/11/2003, you wrote:

>We are avid bikers, too.  I had frame separation and
>fixed it.  As an engineer, I have decided against a
>bumper mounted rack.  I think it would be too much for
>the structure.  BTW, the bumper is directly attached
>to the frame.  But, there's just not much to the
>frame.  The strength is in the skin, and the frame
>pretty much just attaches the hitch and wheels.
>
>Someone makes quick-release clamps that mount with
>screws to any relatively flat surface.  They're about
>$20 each.  They do require you to remove the front
>wheel.  You might consider these inside the trailer or
>the bed of your PU (if you have one).
>
>I haven't found a satisfactory solution, so I'm all
>ears to someone who has.  I don't like roof racks b/c
>I have a full sized van.  In addition, this location
>isn't too "clean" on the east coast in summer time.  I
>guess you just have to chose your dirt--dust or dead
>bugs :)
>
>Jon in SC
>1 1968 Overlander
>7 bikes (and I haven't even started buying them for
>the kids yet!)
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:43:57 -0500
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] shower heads

Joan, I don't know what the shower water control valve in a 57 Bubble looks
like but I replaced the control in my 68 Tradewind with a control designed
for a laundry sink. It cost about $13 and was an exact replacement. I bought
it at an old fashioned hardware store. Made in Korea and nice quality.

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: [VAL] shower heads


> Dear Listers:
>     It's coming down to crunch time on my '57(?)Bubble rebuild and I
> still haven't found a hand held shower head that'll work in my teeny
> bathroom. I need the faucet water controller too unless a shower head
> exists that has on/off/volume/temp stuff on the handle - which would be
> a miracle. I've checked a lot of sources, RV, boat supply,
> McMaster-Carr, and done a "Dog Pile" search that took 3 nights work.
> Any ideas. The plumbing has to go in any day now and I'm considering a
> 90 mile drive to check out a West Marine store - their catalogs have
> some stuff that might work but I can't tell til I see it. Probably
> looked right at one online or somewhere and didn't recognize the
> features - getting a little punchy here.
> Jo Ann
> p.s. Bought the Cozy Cabin heater from Sailnet and it was on sale for
> $249, no tax, no shipping! Yeah for them.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:13:54 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Shower parts

Here's the parts needed if you use the conventional behind the wall
valves of the 1950's.  If you use an all-in-one set of valves in the
shower proper, then delete the wall elbow.

http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000659/ - shower head

http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000662/ - hose
http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000648/ - swivel connector (hose to
handle)
http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000645/ - wall mount/swivel
http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000639/ - wall elbow, used with
behind-wall valves


Best of luck,
RJ

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:06:17 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shower parts

RJ:

   Thanks for posting the parts and pictures links.  Earlier
today I E-mailed the supplier and tried to describe the
swivel connector, but they said they didn't have one.  Just
after I read their message, your post appeared with the
answer, as if by ...... Holiday Magic!!  Thanks,

Fred Coldwell

RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> 
> Here's the parts needed if you use the conventional behind the wall
> valves of the 1950's.  If you use an all-in-one set of valves in the
> shower proper, then delete the wall elbow.
> 
> http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000659/ - shower head
> 
> http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000662/ - hose
> http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000648/ - swivel connector (hose to
> handle)
> http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000645/ - wall mount/swivel
> http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000639/ - wall elbow, used with
> behind-wall valves
> 
> Best of luck,
> RJ
> 
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:13:46 -0500
From: "Bobby Gill" <Gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shower parts

RJ
Thanks for supplying the links on the shower parts.
I replaced the hose in my '73 Ambassador with plastic ones from Home Depot,
but now that I know
where to order a metal one I may switch it out.

Thanks
Bobby
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
  Subject: [VAL] Shower parts


  Here's the parts needed if you use the conventional behind the wall
  valves of the 1950's.  If you use an all-in-one set of valves in the
  shower proper, then delete the wall elbow.

  http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000659/<http://www.vandykes.com/product/0
2000659/> - shower head

  http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000662/<http://www.vandykes.com/product/0
2000662/> - hose
  http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000648/<http://www.vandykes.com/product/0
2000648/> - swivel connector (hose to
  handle)
  http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000645/<http://www.vandykes.com/product/0
2000645/> - wall mount/swivel
  http://www.vandykes.com/product/02000639/<http://www.vandykes.com/product/0
2000639/> - wall elbow, used with
  behind-wall valves

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