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VAL Digest Wednesday, November 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 078
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Vintage Advantage Subscriptions
RE: [VAL] Re:Gate valve and black water tank
Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
RE: [VAL] Fridges
RE: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
[VAL] Re: [VAL tires for 63 single axle
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest
[VAL] Suburban Furnace, Dyna Trail
RE: [VAL] winter battery storage
Re: [VAL] winter battery storage Suggestion
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:39:28 -0500
From: "Jim Wallace \(Wally\)" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Vintage Advantage Subscriptions
Well, I guess I will come out of lurk mode to give my two cents on the whole
Vintage Advantage subject.
I, too, thought perhaps my membership had lapsed in error because I had not
received my Vintage advantage since last spring. The problem I see is that
the Vintage Advantage is supposed to be a quarterly publication, but I have
not received it quarterly. I receive it intermittently.
Since my membership started last December, I have received three issues.
Volume 9
Q3, 2002
Issue #3
Volume 9
Q4(1), 2003
Issue #4
Volume 10
Q2, 2003
Issue #2
Aside from this being a somewhat inconsistent way of numbering (where is Issue
#1 from 2003?), I just can't figure out why I haven't received an issue in so
long.
Has there been an issue since the last one I listed? If so, someone please
let me know so I can request my copy.
I suppose once I receive this next issue, I will have received four issues in
a year's time, but I would hardly call it quarterly.
I wouldn't complain, but I actually look forward to receiving the Vintage
Advantage. If only the Blue Beret was as interesting, informative or useful.
It looks good in my waste basket.
Back to lurking...
Wally
WBCCI 23618
VAC
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:19:07 -0700
From: "Jim Cooper" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re:Gate valve and black water tank
Stuart and Bonnie,
I just did the same on my 67 TW. My toilet flange is rusted out also,
and I haven't given much thought to its replacement yet. I had a new
sheet metal box fabricated along with new angle iron rails. The
Thetford gate is ok, but needs new seals. There are four screw studs
that hold the gate valve to a flange on the tank. I noticed that the
plastic flange is cracked around each of these studs. I will reinforce
it with epoxy, but it can't be replaced. I'm going to paint the pan,
rails, frame that I can reach with POR15 before putting it all back
together.
What are you referring to when saying a nozzle can be attached to the
back of the tank? Am I missing a trick here?
Don't think I had any vermin in the heat ducts, but I'm impressed with
the tank heating that A/S designed in.
Best Regards,
Jim
jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re:Gate valve and black water tank
>
> Hello'
> I pulled out our sewage tank from under our '65 Airstream Trade Wind
Twin
> 24'
> this weekend. The tank is in good shape and not leaking or broken. The
> cast
> iron connection for the toilet is rusted to oblivion. How can that be
> repaired?
> Is there a new tank kit to replace the whole thing? How important is
it to
> split the tank into grey and black water? Did everyone know that the
heat
> duct
> to the rear floor heater vent continues back into the box that holds
the
> waste
> water tank in place? That was an entry point for vermin into our rig
and
> cleaning their residue out of that duct was tricky! Now that that's
clean
> and the
> tank is out...suddenly the back of the rig no longer smells!
> J.R. at Sonrise RV in Escondido, Ca told me that, yes, a nozzel can be
> attached to the back of your tanks to facilitate flushing out the tank
> when it's
> time to drain them. Now we won't need warm black water in our tank
when we
> travel! We think this nozzel idea will help greatly when the rig is
> stationary for a
> long time but in use. We're determined to have a clean rig all over
and
> under.
> Thanks, Stuart and Bonnie
>
> Resor Architect, 1268 Blue Sky Drive, Cardiff By The Sea, California
> 92007-1005, 760-753-8022. Fax: 760-753-8058. RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Or: "Desert Star Ranch" 2299 Borrego Valley Road, (Mail: PO box 1983),
> Borrego Springs, Ca. 92004. 760-525-0076 cell. DESERTSTARANCH@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:04:05 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
> In the 7 pin connector, there is:
> Charging line.
> Ground.
> Running lights.
> Backup light.
> Left Turn/stop.
> Right Turn/stop.
> Maybe the other is called auxiliary. I forget that detail. Dont have my
reference materials. An internet search for Bargman 7 pin connector should
turn up those details.
Hey Dr J:
It's the electric brake feed. Other than that you seem to have them all.
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:37:52 -0700
From: Ivan <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
Hi,
I'll probably go with the prodigy brake controller, but what about
breakaway kits? My 26' trailer doesn't have an on board battery right now,
so I guess I have to get a self contained unit. Any suggestions??
Thanks again!
- -Ivan
On 11/24/03 9:41 PM, "Brad Norgaard" <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> Hi Ivan - I have a copy of the wiring diagram for the Bargeman 7 pin
> connector that Gerald J. referred to. Email me off list if you would like it
> sent to you.
>
> As far as the brake controller goes, I have a Prodigy and have been very
> happy with it. Mind you, I have never towed before so that is my one and
> only benchmark. I still love it nonetheless and feel confident in referring
> it to anyone.
>
> FF
>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> Well I was able to drop the belly pan on our 55 and the wires all
>>> look good. I noticed on the tow vehicle that there is a connecter with 6
>>> pins it it and I wondered exactly what they are. Looks like running lights
>>> account for one cable, break lights are two (left and right), the tandem
>>> axle breaks seems to be two lines that connect to one, but I don't know how
>>> to test that. What would the other two lines be?
>>>
>>> Also I need to purchase both a good break controller and a breakaway
>>> kit. Any recommendations on models and places to purchase them?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Ivan
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:44:33 -0600
From: "Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.isunet.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
Duhh!! Mea culpa.
Gerald J.
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From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:04:05 -0800
>> In the 7 pin connector, there is:
>> Charging line.
>> Ground.
>> Running lights.
>> Backup light.
>> Left Turn/stop.
>> Right Turn/stop.
>> Maybe the other is called auxiliary. I forget that detail. Dont have my
>reference materials. An internet search for Bargman 7 pin connector should
>turn up those details.
>
>Hey Dr J:
>
>It's the electric brake feed. Other than that you seem to have them all.
>
>GQ '67 Safari
>4082 in CA
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:49:59 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Fridges
I think Craig uses new refrigerators and adapts old doors and hardware
on his high-end custom remodels.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Fridges
> I have just found out I have to replace the Dometic Fridge in
> our Tradewind.
> Any idea where I can get a retro looking RV Fridge? There is
> a particullarly
> good example of what I'm looking for at Vintage Vacations (
> http://www.vintage-vacations.com/61airstream_2.htm ).
>
> Ruth Warren
> 1961 Tradewind
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:14:43 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
It is for that reason most everyone stays with the 8ply 7.00x15 LT's.
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
> What brand /size tire is everyone using on 63 safari
> flying cloud 22ft
> trailers ? I`d like to stay with st radials if I can -
> although I dont like the
> losing 2+ inches ground clearance as the radials are 4 inches
> less in diameter .
>
> Chris 63 flying cloud
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:42:29 -0600
From: Dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] More road worthiness questions
If you are going to be fixing your unit up over the next
few months I would not worry about a Break-Away
control temp battery for now.
Over half on the road don't work anyway. Save your money
on a temp job and do it right when you add your battery.
Dean
On Nov 25, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Ivan wrote:
Hi,
I'll probably go with the prodigy brake controller, but what about
breakaway kits? My 26' trailer doesn't have an on board battery right
now,
so I guess I have to get a self contained unit. Any suggestions??
Thanks again!
- -Ivan
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:32:35 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: [VAL tires for 63 single axle
once again , I gotta ask first , then buy ! I got em in (the 225/75 R15
), and I got enough clearance to get out my road - which is as bad as any
I`ll ever go down ! But I wish I had gotten the truck tires for the extra
clearance... but I dont see them going in any easier tho , at least the
brand which it had . Guess I`ll be happy the center of gravity is lower !
still cant find anyone around here into spraying my zolotone inside
(gee I cant imagine why ) might have to do it myself - heck , I`ve already
got ( had ??) cancer ! Well....maybe I`ll keep looking for a hungry bodyman
....
bucked the last of my rivets around the door today , seemed like the
old ones were 1/8 with a big head like 5/32 - I just drilled them to 5/32
and used those.
Chris
RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> It is for that reason most everyone stays with the 8ply 7.00x15 LT's.
> Best of luck,
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:23:46 -0500
From: "David Turner" <david@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest
Hello:
I am looking seriously into purchasing a 1981 Excella 28' Airstream Motor
Home .Any idea of prices of value for this model/year.
Could any of you give me some pointers of what to look for?What are some
things that I need to know?
I need help to make a decision on this purchase.
Thanks for any info and prices.
David
jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:35:30 EST
From: Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Suburban Furnace, Dyna Trail
Hello to all,
Happy Thanksgiving!
I have a 1969 International. The original furnace is still, somewhat,
operational. I have installed a CO2 detection device.
The unit fan never shuts off. The pilot does stay lit. Once the
thermostat signals the furnace to shut down, the fan stays on. To get the furnace to
fire back up I have to push the Reset plunger. When the Reset is complete the
furnace comes back on and we start all over again.
Does anyone know exactly what I am resetting? And can it be fixed to work
as it should, cycling by its self based on the thermostat?
Could the Thermostat be the problem?
Thanks for the insight.
Martin and Rachel Hughey
WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
1969 International and 1961 Bambi
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:12:14 -0500
From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] winter battery storage
A fully charged Battery will not freeze! The Uni-volt should prevent
over charging, however, I would do a periodical check of the water level
in the battery to make sure the battery is not being over charged. Bob
Cornute WBCCI 4953
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Joe Winkler
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:56 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] winter battery storage
A question for the group. Living in warm and delightful Wyoming causes
me to wonder if I should remove my battery for the winter. It has
already gotten down to 17 below here, I am sure that even colder weather
is in our future. Will it do the trailer any harm if I plug it in to 120
when there is no battery?
Joe
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:09:12 -0800
From: "Oliver Filippi" <ofilippi@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] winter battery storage Suggestion
You might want to consider buying an Intellisync/Charge Wizard and setting
it up in your garage as a battery charger to maintain your battery(s)
removed from your Airstream.
This charger setup will not overcharge the battery, even if left on all the
time. Overcharging is a real problem with the "Maintenance Free" batteries,
since it is virtually impossible to replace boiled off electrolyte (caused
by over charging)..
Progressive Dynamics sells refurbished/rebuilt converters at discounted
prices, so the cost is modest. Also, a small model (low amp) is more than
adequate for this use. [Or you can buy a bigger one for eventual
installation in your trailer. A 40 amp unit is fine for either use.]
Oliver Filippi
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From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] winter battery storage
> A fully charged Battery will not freeze! The Uni-volt should prevent
> over charging, however, I would do a periodical check of the water level
> in the battery to make sure the battery is not being over charged. Bob
> Cornute WBCCI 4953
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Joe Winkler
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] winter battery storage
>
> A question for the group. Living in warm and delightful Wyoming causes
> me to wonder if I should remove my battery for the winter. It has
> already gotten down to 17 below here, I am sure that even colder weather
> is in our future. Will it do the trailer any harm if I plug it in to 120
> when there is no battery?
> Joe
>
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