VAL Digest V1 #202

VAL Digest           Monday, March 29 2004           Volume 01 : Number 202




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette
Re: [VAL] another type of generator
Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette
Re: [VAL] another type of generator
Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette
Re: [VAL] another type of generator
Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette
Re: [VAL] another type of generator
Re: [VAL] another type of generator
RE: [VAL] Black Water Holding Tank --65 Caravel
[VAL] refrigerator access door
[VAL] Black Water Holding Tank --65 Caravel
Re: [VAL] refrigerator access door

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:54:20 -0500
From: "Chris Herring" <cherring@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette

Any advice on what to use for replacement tail lights on '52 Cruisette
in the event that I can't track down an original set? Know of any
aftermarket product that may work?

Thanks! This is a great source of info.

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:00:09 -0500
From: "Ron Ainsworth" <rainsworth8@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator

Better read that page again. Better yet, go to the web site's FAQ page. It
isn't running from the vehicle's fuel tank, it's monuted to the vehicle's
engine. It's belt driven by the vehicle engine.

Ron Ainsworth
Coosa, Ga.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "VAL Airstream" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:51 PM
Subject: [VAL] another type of generator


> http://www.aurasystems.com/
>
> Anyone ever heard of or tried this type of engine driven generator?  Puts
out
> from 5kw to 8.5kw from the fuel tank on your tow vehicle.
>
> Tom
> WBCCI 5303
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:44:41 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette

Grote makes a reasonable replacement 

Ken

At 07:54 AM 3/28/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Any advice on what to use for replacement tail lights on '52 Cruisette
>in the event that I can't track down an original set? Know of any
>aftermarket product that may work?
>
>Thanks! This is a great source of info.
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:16:19 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator

For the occasional use on a commercial service truck, its a workable
scheme, though I don't know where I'd find room under the hood of my
F150 to mount it.

That's the first problem, the others involve engine efficiency and
cooling. I doubt a 200+ hp engine idling fast with a 5 to 10 hp load
will operate efficiently. Most likely it will use a few gallons of
gasoline an hour compared to a gas engine matched to the generator that
might get by on less than 1 gallon per hour while supplying the same
load.

Then all that excess fuel will be converted to heat for the radiator to
dissipate without the slipstream of the vehicle in motion. Most likely
unless it has a very heavy duty cooling system (characteristic of the
heavy duty trucks, not vans or cars) the vehicle engine will overheat.

If the tow vehicle engine is diesel, it will handle the idling
efficiency and the heating a bit better, but would still not be an
appropriate power generation scheme for running all day.

Worse, no matter the engine, the waste heat from the very inefficient
vehicle engine would pollute the environs with heat for all but those
inside the air conditioned space, and I don't enjoy being heated more
than the weather for some one else's supposed comfort. The best of
engine driven generators will put 3 times the BTUs of heat to the local
atmosphere as supplied to the load, and the air conditioner will put a
great deal larger quantity of BTU as heat than it removes from the
conditioned space. The vehicle engine driven generator will likely put
more than ten times the BTU to the environment as waste heat than the
BTU delivered to the load.

Gerald J.
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Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:54:50 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette

Chris:

    I don't know what type of tail lights your 1952 Cruisette now has, 
if any, or it at one time had, if any.  It's difficult to recommend a 
replacement to either match or approximate the originals if we don't 
know what was there originally.  Are/were your taillights round or 
rectangular?   There might be shadow or mounting hole hints if they are 
long gone.

    If round, here's a single light that just ended on Ebay that 
approximates the look of a round tail light I've seen only in photos on 
a Cruisette.  I don't know whether it is correct, but it looks similar. 
  I don't know whether it is a single or double filament bulb (and 
apparently neither does the seller, or if he does, he ain't' saying).
See:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232852094&category=1310

I don't know who made the light on Ebay; ask the seller for more info.

    If your 1952 Cruisette original tail lights were rectangular Bargman 
No. 2, then a new rectangular surface mount Peterson No. V306R dual 
filament red pillow optic tail light would make a nice replacement until 
you track down and restore an original set of Bargmans.  A pair would 
even be nice until you found some old round tail lights.

     Good luck!

Fred Coldwell
Denver, CO.


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232852094&category=1310



Chris Herring wrote:
> Any advice on what to use for replacement tail lights on '52 Cruisette
> in the event that I can't track down an original set? Know of any
> aftermarket product that may work?
> 
> Thanks! This is a great source of info.
> 
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:42:25 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator

The generator is making power from the engine of the truck, yes.

Between the lines: truck fuel makes power for generator which makes power
for ....

That was my point - no two types of fuel needed to have on hand - one tank -
the truck fuel tank - usually diesel - like mine.

Tom
WBCCI 5303

From: "Ron Ainsworth" <rainsworth8@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator


> Better read that page again. Better yet, go to the web site's FAQ page. It
> isn't running from the vehicle's fuel tank, it's monuted to the vehicle's
> engine. It's belt driven by the vehicle engine.
>
> Ron Ainsworth
> Coosa, Ga.

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:08:36 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tail lights for'52 Cruisette

Ooops - I assumed they were Bargman #9's - - - 

Ken

At 09:54 AM 3/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
>Chris:
>
>    I don't know what type of tail lights your 1952 Cruisette now has, 
>if any, or it at one time had, if any.  It's difficult to recommend a 
>replacement to either match or approximate the originals if we don't 
>know what was there originally.  Are/were your taillights round or 
>rectangular?   There might be shadow or mounting hole hints if they are 
>long gone.
>
>    If round, here's a single light that just ended on Ebay that 
>approximates the look of a round tail light I've seen only in photos on 
>a Cruisette.  I don't know whether it is correct, but it looks similar. 
>  I don't know whether it is a single or double filament bulb (and 
>apparently neither does the seller, or if he does, he ain't' saying).
>See:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232852094&category=1310
>
>I don't know who made the light on Ebay; ask the seller for more info.
>
>    If your 1952 Cruisette original tail lights were rectangular Bargman 
>No. 2, then a new rectangular surface mount Peterson No. V306R dual 
>filament red pillow optic tail light would make a nice replacement until 
>you track down and restore an original set of Bargmans.  A pair would 
>even be nice until you found some old round tail lights.
>
>     Good luck!
>
>Fred Coldwell
>Denver, CO.
>
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2232852094&category=1310
>
>
>
>Chris Herring wrote:
>> Any advice on what to use for replacement tail lights on '52 Cruisette
>> in the event that I can't track down an original set? Know of any
>> aftermarket product that may work?
>> 
>> Thanks! This is a great source of info.
>> 
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:29:12 -0800
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator

You're missing an important point that Gerald made:  You _have_ to run the
truck engine to make the generator work.  Greater fuel use, greater noise,
less efficiency than a separate generator.

Roger

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:09:33 -0500
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator

I know what Gerald said.  Did you read what I wrote?

I made no mention of greater fuel use, greater noise, less efficiency or
whatever.

All I said was this:  AC or AC/DC power can be supplied "from the same fuel
tank" or words to that effect.  And that is a true statement - the truck
fuel tank creates power for the truck's engine and the truck's engine powers
up the onboard generator.

Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] another type of generator


> You're missing an important point that Gerald made:  You _have_ to run the
> truck engine to make the generator work.  Greater fuel use, greater noise,
> less efficiency than a separate generator.
>
> Roger
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:29:48 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black Water Holding Tank --65 Caravel

Hello,
I just finished installing a new black water tank in the 59 Traveler. I
purchased it through an RV dealer here in WI, an 8 gallon with a center
drain. I had to drill the 3 inch opening where I wanted it and glue in
the fitting for the drain but I got it in and working. It was $73, not
bad and very small to fit in those tight spaces. It was shipped from
Bell Industries.
Ed (very sore from crawling under the trailer all weekend)
WBCCI/VAC
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (with a black and gray water system now!)

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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Pete Gutillo
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:13 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Black Water Holding Tank --65 Caravel


  Subject:
  Black water holding tank for 65 Caravel

  After almost two years of rebuilding our 65 Caravel we finally got
down to the last problem, the release valve on the black water holding
tank. All it would take (we thought) was to drop some of the under belly
and replace the valve, then we planned on starting the polishing process
so we could join the rest of you at one of those rallies! When we
dropped the underbelly, lo and behold the entire bathoom floor was
rotted and the holding tank has three major cracks in it. After more
inspection I found that the entire toilet needs to go. My question is,
where do I find a holding tank that will fit in the small space
provided, or can I fix the existing holding tank with fiberglass?

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:22:02 EST
From: KELLEYMT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] refrigerator access door

Hello all. This is a long shot, but wondered if anyone out there knew of 
someone with a spare refrigerator access door from a 1969 23' Safari? We returned 
from a recent camping trip to find ours had fallen off somewhere between 
Evansville and Sullivan, IN! 

Along that same line, do these access doors traditionally have locks on them? 
Ours do not, and in our three years have never lost one so we never thought 
about it. We're thinking now this would be a wise investment. 

We're looking on Ebay. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in 
advance!


Molly Kelley
69 Safari 23'
email: kelleymt@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:35:31 -0800
From: Joel Raymond <pi2@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Black Water Holding Tank --65 Caravel

I just purchased a 1965 Caravel and plan to totally reconfigure it. The plan
would call for relocating the head to the side street gaucho position,
replace the existing head with a dinette, and a dinette in the front. Yes, 2
dinettes. One would be used as an office while food is served up front, to
seat more if it is raining, and to have a bed available all of the time. The
main motivation is to increase the number of sleeping positions. The plan
allows for  sleeping 2 each fore and aft, and one lucky guy on the floor!
The head configuration would  be similar to the Bambi toilet/ shower combo.
I am mocking up the toilet/ shower before I tear into the reconfigure
project. If I do go ahead I would have available for sale: toilet,
blackwater, shower-lavatory fiberglass module, stove and gauchos. Let me
know if you or anyone else is interested in the parts.
Best regards, Joel

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:12:16 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] refrigerator access door

I'm not sure about the size and characteristics of your missing door, 
but I recently discovered that many older (junked) computer cases were 
made of good aluminum and had vents (louvers) on two sides for cooling. 
I plan to cut one up to use as a vent for my refrigerator cooling. 
Cheaper and better looking that any I saw in the catalogs - I'll cut it 
to the size I need. Maybe get the local sheet metal/plumbing guys to do 
a finish bend to the perimeter.
Jo Ann
On 28, Mar 2004, at 7:22 PM, KELLEYMT@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

> Hello all. This is a long shot, but wondered if anyone out there knew 
> of
> someone with a spare refrigerator access door from a 1969 23' Safari? 
> We returned
> from a recent camping trip to find ours had fallen off somewhere 
> between
> Evansville and Sullivan, IN!
>
> Along that same line, do these access doors traditionally have locks 
> on them?
> Ours do not, and in our three years have never lost one so we never 
> thought
> about it. We're thinking now this would be a wise investment.
>
> We're looking on Ebay. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. 
> Thanks in
> advance!
>
>
> Molly Kelley
> 69 Safari 23'
> email: kelleymt@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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