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VAL Digest V1 #153
VAL Digest Monday, February 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 153
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[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #152
[VAL] oops - my apologies on that last message.
[VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
[VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
[VAL] Re: Polishing
RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Re: [VAL] trailer repairs
RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
[VAL] vintage repair work
[VAL] Re: Factory Tour
Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
[VAL] Port o' Call closing
Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Re: [VAL] vintage repair work
[VAL] This is how lotteries really work
Re: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
Re: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:52:25 -0800
From: "Richard McFarland" <estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #152
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> Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing FC
> [VAL] Replacing TV antenna?
> [VAL] trailer repairs
> Re: [VAL] Replacing TV antenna?
> [VAL] RE: VAL Digest V1 #150
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> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:46:12 -0700
> From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing FC
>
> Patti,
>
> Most of us are somewhere on the continuum of polishing. We bring 'um as
> they are and sometimes work on them at the rallies. Pearl is just fine
> even without an 'extreme makeover'.
>
> Rob Davis
> Denver
>
>
> Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
>
> > Need be, I'll take her half "cooked" !
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 14:41:17 -0500
> From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Replacing TV antenna?
>
> Has anyone replaced their antenna with the new style antenna like the ones
> available in Camping World?
> If so how hard is the swap? Did you have to change the wiring?
> Any info is appreciated.
> Thanks
> Bobby
> 73 Ambassador.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:42:57 -0500
> From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
> Subject: [VAL] trailer repairs
>
> Patricia and others,
>
> Just wanted to update you on my '60 Overlander's repairs.
>
> I ended up taking it to Ace Fogdall in Iowa. My other choice was Jackson
> Center. The choice was based upon three things, Ace Fogdall's prices were
> quite a bit less than Jackson Center, I have 2 friends that both highly
> recommended them, and my best friend lives within an hour of the place.
>
> Anyways, I got it back a couple of weeks ago. This is what they did.
>
> +Fix the frame/body seperation - very nice appearance I may add - not as
large
> of skin "elephant ear" patches that the factory uses.
> +replace rear section of the belly pan
> +install gray tank
> +replumb black tank venting
> +fix small leak in black tank
> +install new Sealant toilet with sprayer
> +replumb black tank drain
> +installed an axle spacer (had the axle flipped last spring and whenever
the
> tire flexed it rubbed against the shock stud!)
>
> All this work was done for what I believe to be a very reasonable price. I
> have yet to use it to check out their handiwork, but it appears to have
been
> well done and worthy of a vintage airstream!
>
> Scott
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:51:08 EST
> From: Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Replacing TV antenna?
>
> I changed ours on the 69. Had no problems with the installation. I did
need
> to install a fused 12v circuit for the power it required. By the way, it
did
> not work without the power source. But, with the new antenna, reception
was
> great.
>
> Martin and Rachel Hughey
> WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
> 1969 International and 1961 Bambi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:30:05 -0500
> From: "Daniel M. Osterhout" <pastoro@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL Digest V1 #150
>
> Greetings:
>
> My wife Toni and I enjoyed taking the Airstream Factory tour yesterday,
> Friday, February 6th. The 1 hour & 45 minute tour was great! Our tour
> guide had worked for Airstream for 46 years. We did not see Patti's FC,
but
> was told it was in the service/repair department. It was a cold day, and
> there were 10 on our tour. Airstream is now making 30 units a week. They
> have 400 plus employees and are hiring more at the present, plus the stock
> recently split.
>
> All in all it was an great experience.
>
> Dan
> 1977 Safari
> 1991 Suburban
> WBCCI #4495
> Western PA
> ________________________________________________
> Daniel M. Osterhout
> pastoro@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:55:17 -0800
From: "Richard McFarland" <estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] oops - my apologies on that last message.
In creating a message I apparently just returned all of #152.
Again - my apologies. RL
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:16:36 -0800
From: "Richard McFarland" <estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
Dan - I enjoyed your report of your recent factory tour - complete with a
vintage tour director....
I too am a tour director (somewhat vintage...temporarily in retirement
undergoing restoration after too many miles on the road, in the air and on
the water crisscrossing the West Coast/Canada/Alaska/Hawaii) - and your
story made me think...might there be any reason to consider a VAC
get-together at Jackson Center - specifically with long time employees -
such as the 46 year employee that hosted you.
It would seem to me - great PR for the factory - and a great experience for
vintage trailerites - to be able to spend some quality time with a group of
the senior employees - to hear their stories - and to possibly participate
in a question and answer forum. It's one thing for a tour guide to talk
about the history of something as one understands it and/or remembers it
(from ones own perspective)...it's another thing to be asked about history
from others (with a variety of perspectives and interests) - who knows what
question "out of left field" might jog the memory "here and there" of one of
the long time Airstream employees...allowing "once forgotten stories and
information" to once again return ...and subsequently be shared (and
filmed).
Something to consider?
Best Wishes. RL
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:44:39 EST
From: RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
Hello!
I spent much of today and some of last week slowly installing the Armstrong
"Parque" style self adhesive vinyl tiles I bought at Home depot. Has anyone
used these tiles? I finally wised up and Bonnie's hair dryer out to warm the old
tiles up so I could remove them. Some came off easily and others seemed welded
to the floor. I used wd-40 to clean up my hands after this effort. It works
but leaves your hands smelling like the wd-40! I put the tiles under where the
new propane hot water heater will go. Nothing in the hot water heater
instructions cautions against that.
I will use white pvc plastic for the plumbing unless someone says that was
not the way to go. I bought some vinyl"base" to replace a small strip that went
around the curve of the tub and then mitered to the right and went under the
toilet. I experimented with the hair dryer tonite to practice making the
mitered 90* bend. It's not going to be easily done. The adhesive on the back gets
all over your hands even though the paper is still on. Thanks, Stuart Resor,
Cardiff Ca.
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 06:23:43 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
RL -
I think this is a great idea!! Who could be contacted at Jackson Center to
get the ball rolling? If this is to come about, it should be done soon while
there are as many senior employees as possible. Maybe this could become an
annual event.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
> ...might there be any reason to consider a VAC
> get-together at Jackson Center - specifically with long time employees -
> such as the 46 year employee that hosted you.
>
> It would seem to me - great PR for the factory - and a great experience for
> vintage trailerites - to be able to spend some quality time with a group of
> the senior employees - to hear their stories - and to possibly participate
> in a question and answer forum. It's one thing for a tour guide to talk
> about the history of something as one understands it and/or remembers it
> (from ones own perspective)...it's another thing to be asked about history
> from others (with a variety of perspectives and interests) - who knows what
> question "out of left field" might jog the memory "here and there" of one of
> the long time Airstream employees...allowing "once forgotten stories and
> information" to once again return ...and subsequently be shared (and
> filmed).
>
> Something to consider?
>
> Best Wishes. RL
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:26:32 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Hey Rob,
Where should I start polishing? I've been told the roof and work down,
but if I know I won't be able to get it finished by Lansing I'd rather
start somewhere that it wouldn't look like a work in progress. Maybe
the top of the 13 panels in the front? I'm so anxious to get her back
and get to it!
Really looking forward to July in Colorado!
Patti
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:28:26 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Hello,
I have had some time to consider this project some more and have a few
more observations to share. The foam substance doesn't not go all the
way to the drain hole as the tub is curved in that area to fit to the
floor. I think what I am going to do is fill the bad areas with Great
Stuff while the tub is out and up side down, I'll then trim it to meet
the original height of the old stuff when it quits expanding. Again any
past history out there that has dealt with this problem would be
appreciated. Thanks for the feedback up to this point.
Thanks
Ed
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (insides going back in and plumbing almost completed. Just
might make Lansing!)
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Chris Siiteri
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:55 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Hello Ed, et al.
I also have this same question, as I have removed the tub to replace a
section of floor in the bathroom. I was considering taking it to one of
the local "nu-surface" establishments, that restore shower stalls, tubs
etc. In the floor, I found a twelve to eighteen inch rotted section at
the joint between the wardrobe and the tub enclosure, where water had
seeped in from the shower spray. The curve of the surface provide by
the foam stuff seems to be important. It appears that it supports not
only the weight carrying load inside, but also the drain pipe asssembly.
The drain pipe in ours cracked, perhaps in part because of the
deterioration of the foam stuff. (Our trailer was also negatively
impacted from extended use with worn axles and shocks). The frame was
rusted so badly from plumbing leaks and water wicking under the rear
skin, we replaced two feet of the main girders, and beefed up two
cross-members. The floor patch in the back of the trailer required
complete removal of all bathroom fixtures. When I looked at the U
channel, it was rusted, and broken in about a dozen places, so I had to
remove the interior skin panels to effect a repair there. I am in the
process of fabricating a new U-channel for the rear bow, since A/S only
makes one for the wide bodies now, and I have not been able to locate
one for the narrow bodies. Patience is a difficult thing to prescribe
to my spouse at this point!
Chris in Austin
'63 Ambassador
<I noticed that the bottom is covered with a Styrofoam type substance.
Some of it is missing and I would like to replace this as I think it
offers padding between the tub and the floor. Anyone out there ever
replace this "substance"?>
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:26:15 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] trailer repairs
Where was the grey water tank installed? How large of tank were you able to
get?
Jim
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From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: [VAL] trailer repairs
> Patricia and others,
>
> Just wanted to update you on my '60 Overlander's repairs.
>
> I ended up taking it to Ace Fogdall in Iowa. My other choice was Jackson
> Center. The choice was based upon three things, Ace Fogdall's prices were
> quite a bit less than Jackson Center, I have 2 friends that both highly
> recommended them, and my best friend lives within an hour of the place.
>
> Anyways, I got it back a couple of weeks ago. This is what they did.
>
> +Fix the frame/body seperation - very nice appearance I may add - not as
large
> of skin "elephant ear" patches that the factory uses.
> +replace rear section of the belly pan
> +install gray tank
> +replumb black tank venting
> +fix small leak in black tank
> +install new Sealant toilet with sprayer
> +replumb black tank drain
> +installed an axle spacer (had the axle flipped last spring and whenever
the
> tire flexed it rubbed against the shock stud!)
>
> All this work was done for what I believe to be a very reasonable price. I
> have yet to use it to check out their handiwork, but it appears to have
been
> well done and worthy of a vintage airstream!
>
> Scott
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 08:33:28 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Hello,
Thanks for the post, this one I will save in my special "How to put this
thing back together" file! I am going to try this today after church.
Again thanks for the details.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of chyde
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:49 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
> I also have this same question, as I have removed the tub to replace a
> section of floor in the bathroom. I was considering taking it to one
> of
the
> local "nu-surface" establishments, that restore shower stalls, tubs
> etc. Chris in Austin '63 Ambassador
>
> <I noticed that the bottom is covered with a Styrofoam type
> substance.
Some
> of it is missing and I would like to replace this as I think it offers
> padding between the tub and the floor. Anyone out there ever replace
> this "substance"?
Chris & Ed,
Acrylic hot tubs are thermoformed out of large sheets of acrylic, then
reinforced with fiberglass applied to the back surface. Urethane foam
blocks and spray on Urethane foam are often used to insulate and to
create a flat surface on the bottom of the tub. Urethane foam is
compatible with polyester resins and epoxy resins (styrofoam is not)
commonly used in fiberglass construction so you are able to glass right
over the shaped foam without worrying that the foam will degrade. I
don't believe that urethane foam blocks are available at the retail
level but you can buy it in a sprayable form. Look in the insulation
dept of any home renovation store for the sprayable "gap sealer" for
homes. You will be able to spray this stuff onto surfaces and it will
expand considerably. Once it has hardened you can shape it with common
hand tools like saws and rasps. Covered with fiberglass, it turns into a
structural element. As far as repairing the surface gelcoat on the tub,
you are better off repairing it as you would repair an auto body or a
boat then paint it with modern two part auto paint. Old gelcoat parts
typically show small hairline cracks. These cracks are not structural.
Just grind or sand out the crack right down to the glass then build it
up again with body filler. I have been using PPG Concept two part auto
paint on my restorations. You can get virtually any color mixed at an
auto body supply shop. They can also add "flatting" agents if required.
You can also purchase mixed colors that were mistakes (at a reduced
price) then play with the color mixing yourself. Hope this helps out,
Colin (Building monocoque composite accessible vehicles in my other
life.)
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:41:13 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] vintage repair work
Hi Scott,
I took "Pearl" to Jackson Center because they had done extensive work
for me on my 67 Safari. It too had separation issues and a long list of
other repairs. They did a great job and when I went to pick it up, on
the spot they did even more work that I realized I should have had
done. Everything they did looked professional or original. Many of the
guys in the service dept. have worked there for over 30 years! I also
figured that they have access to many new Airstream parts that could be
used to bring the systems up to date. For example, I poured over the
pictures of the new trailers on Airstreams web site and have asked Rick
if they could install the new aluminum spot lights that are on the
28ft, CCD over the bed on my 54 FC. Same idea with the shower heads on
todays trailers with the on/off button. I'm also going to ask him if
the mattress used on the Safari Bambi would fit my FC. The dimensions
seem to be the same. Try to find curved mattresses anywhere else!
My problem is that I am very limited as to what work I can do myself, I
have no garage to keep tools and equipment in and my mechanical skills
are basic. There is also NO RV place on Long Island with any Airstream
experience. I plan on solving this by moving to Colorado in 2 years!
Patti
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:51:07 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Factory Tour
OH DAN!! I am so disappointed that you couldn't see Pearl!!!!!!!! I
would have loved to have an on the spot description of how she looks!
Too bad!
The tour at the plant is so much fun but that's how I got in trouble
after having my 67 repaired there. I took the tour, saw the new ones
and decided to sell the 67 and buy a new Safari! I haven't regretted it
because I realized later that I still needed to have a vintage trailer
and it put me on the trail of finding "Pearl"!
Thanks for trying to see her!
Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
2003 Safari
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
VAC
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:03:20 -0500
From: Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
One of the best ideas I have heard in years on this list!
A Vinatge event in the midwest would be wonderful. I have tried several times to
promote one with little response as most of you guys are on the coasts or Way Out West.
Let me know how I can help if this gets rolling. I am close by in Indianapolis. There
is a Homecoming event being promoted by the Factory in June sometime.
A Vintage Event at Jackson Center with long time Airstream builders as guests! A great idea!
Hope to see it happen-
Alex In Indiana
WBCCI # 8728
66 Safari & Overlander
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:24:24 -0500
From: Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Port o' Call closing
Hello All-
Down here in Melbourne, Fl south of Cocoa beach, Land Yacht Port O' Call an airstream
trailer park, is going through its closing throes. The story is long one and has been
told well by others, but several folks here are putting up "For Sale" signs in their
trailers. Some are more road worthy than others, and most are 70's and 80's models and
of the bigger size. If you are in the area it's worth looking at. Port O' Call is
directly across the street from the Melbourne International Airport. This park closes
for good in April 30, and utilities are being shut off around the 18th we're being told.
Abandoned Airstreams will become city property, and probably crushed.
PLEASE do not ask me to scout them for you. That's best done by the potential buyer.
Alex In Indiana (wintering in Melbourne)
(appearing as Otto the Sword Swallower at:
Hoggestown Renaissnace Faire Gainsville Feb 14-15
Lady of the Lake Ren. Faire Leesburg Feb 21-22
Gulf Coast Ren. Faire Pensecola March 6-7
Italian Ren. Festival Hileah Park Miami March 26-28)
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 08:26:35 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Patti
I think you should start whereever you feel like starting - its all got to
be done - - - thats what I did - I went for areas that I could see progress
that would keep me motivated to keep going.
Ken
At 09:26 AM 2/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Rob,
>
>Where should I start polishing? I've been told the roof and work down, but
>if I know I won't be able to get it finished by Lansing I'd rather start
>somewhere that it wouldn't look like a work in progress. Maybe the top of
>the 13 panels in the front? I'm so anxious to get her back and get to it!
>
>Really looking forward to July in Colorado!
>
>Patti
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:18:44 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 46 year employee/ tour guide at Jackson Center
Richard:
That is an excellent idea, and perhaps could be
incorporated into the Homecoming Event that Airstream, Inc.
already has scheduled for June 2-6, 2004 in Jackson Center,
Ohio. I imagine some old time employee(s) would enjoy
attending this event and answering questions. Some details
on the Homecoming can be found here:
http://www.airstream.com/airstreamer/events/homecoming_2003.html
Why not forward that suggestion to the Airstream Homecoming
Events coordinator?
Fred Coldwell
VAC Archive Historian
Richard McFarland wrote:
>
> Dan - I enjoyed your report of your recent factory tour - complete with a
> vintage tour director....
>
> I too am a tour director (somewhat vintage...temporarily in retirement
> undergoing restoration after too many miles on the road, in the air and on
> the water crisscrossing the West Coast/Canada/Alaska/Hawaii) - and your
> story made me think...might there be any reason to consider a VAC
> get-together at Jackson Center - specifically with long time employees -
> such as the 46 year employee that hosted you.
>
> It would seem to me - great PR for the factory - and a great experience for
> vintage trailerites - to be able to spend some quality time with a group of
> the senior employees - to hear their stories - and to possibly participate
> in a question and answer forum. It's one thing for a tour guide to talk
> about the history of something as one understands it and/or remembers it
> (from ones own perspective)...it's another thing to be asked about history
> from others (with a variety of perspectives and interests) - who knows what
> question "out of left field" might jog the memory "here and there" of one of
> the long time Airstream employees...allowing "once forgotten stories and
> information" to once again return ...and subsequently be shared (and
> filmed).
>
> Something to consider?
>
> Best Wishes. RL
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:21:36 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Great Stuff is sticky. Wear substantial gloves. It doesn't come off skin
or fabric. It wears harder than denim. I got some on jeans while using
it around the siding on this house and wore the jeans out before wearing
it off them. In the home center there are low expansion foams available
to minimize the tub distortion problems. Takes a warm environment to use
any of the foams, some work at 45 some demand at least 60. Read the
label on the can carefully.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:47:34 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Polishing
Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
Patti,
The curb side especially by the front door pays the biggest emotional
dividends. I started at the top, but I think Ken's advice is good. We
saved the front end with all the rock pits for last.
We just had our third planning meeting for this years Rocky Mountain
Vintage rally last night, the group ahs lots of enthusiasm and
excitement. We already have commitments for over 30 trailers and it's
only early February! Should have an even better time than last year.
Rob Davis
Denver, CO
> Hey Rob,
>
> Where should I start polishing? Really looking forward to July in
> Colorado!
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:50:51 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] vintage repair work
Patti,
Tou're more than welcome, best news we've heard in a while!
Rob Davis
Denver, CO
Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
> "I plan on solving this by moving to Colorado in 2 years!"
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 14:03:37 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] This is how lotteries really work
This is how lotteries really work:
A man moved to Texas and bought a donkey from an old farmer
for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
Come morning, the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry, but I got
some bad news. The donkey died."
"Well then, just give me my money back."
"Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
"OK then, just unload the donkey."
"What ya gonna do with em."
"I'm gonna raffle him off."
"Ya can't raffle off a dead donkey!"
"Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anyone he's dead."
A month later the farmer met up with the guy and asked, "What
happened with the dead donkey?"
"I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at $2.00 apiece and made
a profit of $898."
"Didn't no one complain?"
"Just the guy who won. So I gave him his $2.00 back."
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:30:10 -0800
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
Hi Stuart -
PEX (cross-linked polyethylene) is the material of choice in plumbing
upgrades these days, both in conventional homes and rvs.... pvc is great
stuff, and very easy to use, but in mobile applications where it can be
subjected to vibration, stress, and temperature extremes, the fittings and
joins need to be perfectly sealed, using the pvc primer and 'glue' for the
type you're using (e.g. 'schedule 40')... the pex fittings tend to be a
little more expensive, but i prefer to use conventional brass/copper
compression fittings anyhow... in difficult to reach places, you'll find
that pex is a LOT easier to work with.
i've used vinyl tiles in the past, and they do tend to show subfloor
imperfections more than most types of flooring, but are a viable
replacement... in any event, they'll come up fairly easily if you decide to
go with another type of flooring in the future... on my '72 Overlander, i
put in self-adhesive foam-backed carpet tiles right over the existing tile,
since the original floor covering was intact - but i don't envy the
subseqent owner if s/he has to take them up... they tend to leave chunks of
the foam backing when you try to remove them.
tuna
reno, nv
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:44 PM
Subject: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
> Hello!
> I spent much of today and some of last week slowly installing the
Armstrong
> "Parque" style self adhesive vinyl tiles I bought at Home depot. Has
anyone
> used these tiles? I finally wised up and Bonnie's hair dryer out to warm
the old
> tiles up so I could remove them. Some came off easily and others seemed
welded
> to the floor. I used wd-40 to clean up my hands after this effort. It
works
> but leaves your hands smelling like the wd-40! I put the tiles under where
the
> new propane hot water heater will go. Nothing in the hot water heater
> instructions cautions against that.
> I will use white pvc plastic for the plumbing unless someone says that was
> not the way to go. I bought some vinyl"base" to replace a small strip that
went
> around the curve of the tub and then mitered to the right and went under
the
> toilet. I experimented with the hair dryer tonite to practice making the
> mitered 90* bend. It's not going to be easily done. The adhesive on the
back gets
> all over your hands even though the paper is still on. Thanks, Stuart
Resor,
> Cardiff Ca.
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:06:05 -0800
From: "Tim Shephard" <timshephard@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Vinyl tiles
Stuart.
You should not used regular PVC at all for drinking water. You may use CPVC
which is made for potible (drinkable) hot and cold water supply lines. I
know most people here recommend PEX. However because of cost, availabliltiy
and easy instalation, I used CPVC.
You can read about it on my website it if your interested.
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/airstream/plumbing.htm
- -Tim
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
> Hi Stuart -
>
> PEX (cross-linked polyethylene) is the material of choice in plumbing
> upgrades these days, both in conventional homes and rvs.... pvc is great
> stuff, and very easy to use, but in mobile applications where it can be
> subjected to vibration, stress, and temperature extremes, the fittings and
> joins need to be perfectly sealed, using the pvc primer and 'glue' for the
> type you're using (e.g. 'schedule 40')... the pex fittings tend to be a
> little more expensive, but i prefer to use conventional brass/copper
> compression fittings anyhow... in difficult to reach places, you'll find
> that pex is a LOT easier to work with.
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