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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] water pump
Re: [VAL] water pump
[VAL] Traveler leaks
[VAL] forum
[VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] water pump
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
RE: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
[VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
[VAL] Newcomer to valist
Re: [VAL] Newcomer to valist
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:35:28 -0800 (PST)
From: M Tate <firebirdesprit@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] water pump
Stuart,
In my 65 Overlander, the pump was mounted in the
service bay originally. I will hunt down the picture
of when I started redoing her and will get it to you.
Where it was exactly I don't know due to the shape th
bay was in. Sounds like things are going good. Keep up
the good work. As to mounting it in front, my only
thought would be noise, but under the oven should not
get extremely hot, at least mine does not.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:40:21 -0600
From: Dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] water pump
The pump must be very close to the supply
tank. Keep the suction line short.
See You On the Road
Dean & Kay
WBCCI 2486
IOWA
On Feb 3, 2004, at 12:35 AM, M Tate wrote:
> Stuart,
> In my 65 Overlander, the pump was mounted in the
> service bay originally. I will hunt down the picture
> of when I started redoing her and will get it to you.
> Where it was exactly I don't know due to the shape th
> bay was in. Sounds like things are going good. Keep up
> the good work. As to mounting it in front, my only
> thought would be noise, but under the oven should not
> get extremely hot, at least mine does not.
> Mark
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:47:55 EST
From: SHMossLanding@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Traveler leaks
We have a 1958 Traveler. Now that the interior is empty, we discovered
water(moisture) around the floor,where it meets the sisdewalls in several locations.
Any ideas where to start looking for the source? One other question, did the
1958
traverers have refers, or were they ice boxes?
Thanks,
Chuck
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:03:07 -0500
From: John & Nancy Hussey <seacure@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] forum
Tom,
Last fall, when I was a subscriber, everything came in a nice "forum"
sort of report. Now, I am getting a bunch of random copies of others'
emails. Is this a change in the system? Thanks, John H.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:58:39 -0700
From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] fm whip antenna
good afternoon all
i have installed a 12vdc auto am/fm cd player in my safari. it is my desire to
install a fm whip antenna to the front of the trailer. ideally, it would be a
swivel ball mount. i have seen pictures of them on vintage trailers but i can
not find them anywhere. i have been to radio shack and checked out ebay but
have come up empty. there are plenty of cb type available but not fm. i do
have a tv reception antenna on the front of the trailer as well. i suppose
that i could take a splitter and use the tv antenna for both but i am not sure
if that would work and besides the tv antenna appears to be in rough shape and
i don't have the time to r&r it at this time. any help or suggestions would be
appreciated.
harry truitt
66 safari
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:56:38 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] water pump
On my tradewind 24 ft the water tank is located in the front and the pump is
in the rear. Has worked very well for many years. Suction line length is not
too importent as long as the water can flow freely from the tank to the pump.
Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:04:09 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
One possibility, I found on-line so far:
Firestik M-2 mount with the Firestik AM/FM antenna with AMFM-3-B or
AMFM-4-B. http://www.alfenterprises.com/antennas/amfmantenna.htm The
coax should be low capacity like RG-62 for good AM reception.
The vintage antenna on my '68 Caravel is a miniature of the CB or
communications antenna mount. The ball mount base is sturdy. If the whip
was cut to about 1.6 meters length without any loading coil, it would
work super on FM, and if the coax run is made of RG-62 the AM radio
would work well. I've not yet hooked a radio to the antenna on my
Caravel (need to do that one of these days) to have any confidence that
the insulation is any good after 35 years.
A car stereo shop could have a greater selection than Radio Shack. A car
parts store might have some, the parts department of a car maker that
used a right angle mount (like over the middle of the windshield) could
have something though they might be a bit pricey.
In the handy Byerly RV catalog I find a Shakespeare stereo receiver
antenna. I'm not impressed by it as much as the Firestik. The lift lay
model might work though it looks as if it has a separate hole from the
lead in and it could be made to stand up on the front of the trailer. It
would perform better up on the roof than down in front.
A good search came up with an overwhelming number of hits, mostly for a
portable radio with attached antenna.
Gerald J.
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:10:23 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Stan:
I am NO electronics wizard, but I recall knowledgeable
people saying the long ball mounted whip antennas seen on
Airstreams in the 1950s and 1960's require the attaching
radio have something special about it that affects its
ability to interact correctly with a long fix - as opposed
to a short or adjustable - antenna. An acquaintance in
Aurora had the original AM only radio in his 1959 Overlander
repaired, and the old repair guy commented that the radio
obviously had a very long whip antenna based on something he
quickly saw inside the radio. Long story short: I don't
know where a new 2004 AM/FM radio with CD player would work
well with a very long whip antenna. You have to be sure the
antenna is tuned for the particular radio. Of course, you
could always mount an old Dan Matthew's Highway Patrol
"10-4" whip antenna for show only and tuck a modern short
rubber antenna nearby. Perhaps like you, as a child in the
1950's I had a very bad case of antenna envy. My neighbor
was a Forest Ranger who had the coooolest whip antenna on
the left side of his U.S.F.S. car between the rear window a
trunk. Absolutely Nothing was cooler than that.
Fred Coldwell
Denver, CO.
Stan Truitt wrote:
>
> good afternoon all
> i have installed a 12vdc auto am/fm cd player in my safari. it is my desire to
> install a fm whip antenna to the front of the trailer. ideally, it would be a
> swivel ball mount. i have seen pictures of them on vintage trailers but i can
> not find them anywhere. i have been to radio shack and checked out ebay but
> have come up empty. there are plenty of cb type available but not fm. i do
> have a tv reception antenna on the front of the trailer as well. i suppose
> that i could take a splitter and use the tv antenna for both but i am not sure
> if that would work and besides the tv antenna appears to be in rough shape and
> i don't have the time to r&r it at this time. any help or suggestions would be
> appreciated.
>
> harry truitt
> 66 safari
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:35:47 -0800
From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Further, long antennas are good for the AM part of the radio but the FM
requires
a short antenna. There are amplifiers at Radio Shack that go between the
radio and
the antenna that can boost signals.
Does anyone have an opinion on Siri or XMSR satellite radio?
I have one of those long whips, they are for citizen's band.
Michelle
Our only purpose in life
is to love one another...
And if we can't do that,
try not to hurt each other.
~Dalai Lama~
Stan:
I am NO electronics wizard, but I recall knowledgeable
people saying the long ball mounted whip antennas seen on
Airstreams in the 1950s and 1960's require the attaching
radio have something special about it that affects its
ability to interact correctly with a long fix
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:49:23 -0600
From: Kevin D Allen <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Greetings Harry!
I can't verify this, but my local Radio Shack owner (has been a dealer
for at least 20 years) advised that he thought the original antenna on
my '64 Overlander was nothing more than a typical CB antenna with the
cable having a special terminal replacing the CB plug. I know that the
base, spring, and whip are all stock CB antenna parts on my Overlander
as vandals damaged the original whip and I had to have it replaced about
three years ago.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Stan Truitt
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:59 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] fm whip antenna
good afternoon all
i have installed a 12vdc auto am/fm cd player in my safari. it is my
desire to
install a fm whip antenna to the front of the trailer. ideally, it would
be a
swivel ball mount. i have seen pictures of them on vintage trailers but
i can
not find them anywhere. i have been to radio shack and checked out ebay
but
have come up empty. there are plenty of cb type available but not fm. i
do
have a tv reception antenna on the front of the trailer as well. i
suppose
that i could take a splitter and use the tv antenna for both but i am
not sure
if that would work and besides the tv antenna appears to be in rough
shape and
i don't have the time to r&r it at this time. any help or suggestions
would be
appreciated.
harry truitt
66 safari
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:18:51 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
We have the XM radio made by Sony; it's portable and can be used in the
vehicle, the trailer and also the house. Beginning Feb. 1, 2004, about 70
channels are now commercial free - all the time - no commercials. We love
it.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
> Further, long antennas are good for the AM part of the radio but the FM
> requires
> a short antenna. There are amplifiers at Radio Shack that go between the
> radio and
> the antenna that can boost signals.
> Does anyone have an opinion on Siri or XMSR satellite radio?
> I have one of those long whips, they are for citizen's band.
>
> Michelle
>
> Our only purpose in life
> is to love one another...
> And if we can't do that,
> try not to hurt each other.
> ~Dalai Lama~
>
> Stan:
>
> I am NO electronics wizard, but I recall knowledgeable
> people saying the long ball mounted whip antennas seen on
> Airstreams in the 1950s and 1960's require the attaching
> radio have something special about it that affects its
> ability to interact correctly with a long fix
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:27:03 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
Radio Shack no longer carries automotive stuff - like CB antennas, etc.
What they have in the store now is it, they won't be reordering anything
'automotive' - that's what several stores told me when I was looking for
through-the-glass antennas.
Our Airstream uses a through-the-glass CB antenna and it works just fine.
The radio antenna is of the older type; extendable-retractable, mounted
through the sheet metal. I don't believe there is any limit to the length
of any standard radio coax. Even CB antennas are OK with over 8' + of cable
length. You might try using the type we have in ours - through the glass
for the CB.
Be careful with the 'ball-type' mounted kind for automobiles as most of them
will rotate at the ball mount. You could go with an import auto antenna
that uses 2 brackets for mounting which will not allow for any rotation of
the antenna. Volvo, Nissan, and others use that type of mounting for their
radios.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: [VAL] fm whip antenna
> good afternoon all
> i have installed a 12vdc auto am/fm cd player in my safari. it is my
desire to
> install a fm whip antenna to the front of the trailer. ideally, it would
be a
> swivel ball mount. i have seen pictures of them on vintage trailers but i
can
> not find them anywhere. i have been to radio shack and checked out ebay
but
> have come up empty. there are plenty of cb type available but not fm. i do
> have a tv reception antenna on the front of the trailer as well. i suppose
> that i could take a splitter and use the tv antenna for both but i am not
sure
> if that would work and besides the tv antenna appears to be in rough shape
and
> i don't have the time to r&r it at this time. any help or suggestions
would be
> appreciated.
>
> harry truitt
> 66 safari
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:17:25 -0800
From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
How is the reception? We live in a deep canyon where the cable is used by
most people.
Does XM radio have a coverage map?
thanks,
Michelle
Our only purpose in life
is to love one another...
And if we can't do that,
try not to hurt each other.
~Dalai Lama~
We have the XM radio made by Sony; it's portable and can be used in the
vehicle, the trailer and also the house. Beginning Feb. 1, 2004, about 70
channels are now commercial free - all the time - no commercials. We love
it.
Tom
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:37:37 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
I believe the 102" stainless steel whip antenna you are referring to is
still available from Antenna Specialists, Wilson Antenna, and a couple other
manufacturers. In the Houston area, it can be obtained from Jim Fussell at
Andy Electronics down in Houston. You might contact A/S at 440- 349-8400,
or Wilson Electronics at 1-800-541-6116 or 1-800-558-4620. Both made an
excellent quality ball mount. And the usual disclaimer, I have no financial
interest in either company. Good Luck.
Buddy
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:54:59 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Stuff on the bottom of the bathtub
Hello All,
I have purchased a bathtub out of a 63 Tradwind that I plan on
installing in my 59 Traveler. I noticed that the bottom is covered with
a Styrofoam type substance. Some of it is missing and I would like to
replace this as I think it offers padding between the tub and the floor.
Anyone out there ever replace this "substance"? I am thinking that I
could remove the old and lay that pink foam insulation stuff to pad the
tub from the floor. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:25:53 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fm whip antenna
The mount on my Caravel is in the STYLE of a CB (which was a regular
communications mount), but much smaller. The insulator is on the order
of 2" diameter with the ball about 1" diameter. The CB mount insulator
was more like 4" diameter with the ball at least 2" diameter. Far
sturdier than the antenna on my Caravel. The cable from my antenna is
the type made for car radio antennas, RG-62 with the Motorola car radio
plug on the end.
That being said, other than size and the coax, the large CB mount could
be used. I used that style of mount (never from CB, but from ham radio)
on higher frequencies than FM broadcast. The whip needs to be something
between 1/4 and 1/2 wavelength at 88 to 108 MHz, say at 98 MHz,
wavelength about 3 meters. So the whip meeds to be at least 3/4 meter
long and works good up to 1-1/2 meter then another length that works
well is 5/8 th wavelength (but like 1/2 wave needs some attention to
matching that the shorter whip doesn't). The length for AM is whatever
is used for FM.
The coax IS critical. Low impedance coax like RG-58 or RG-59 has a
larger capacitance per foot and the antenna is very high impedance at AM
so the capacitance of the coax is critical for the radio alignment.
That's why low capacitance coax, type RG-62 is used. And not very much
of that. There should be an antenna trimmer screwdriver adjustment on
the back of the radio, best peaked at about 1400 KHz to correct for the
coax and antenna capacitance. If not peaked, AM radio performance can be
poor.
Gerald J.
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Reproduction by permission only.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:58:06 -0500
From: "Thomas Waugh" <me1sirius@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Newcomer to valist
Hi!
My name is Tom Waugh and I live in Alexandria, Va. I have been an
Airstream fanfor many years (my family and friends think I'm obsessed). I
have enjoyed the VAC website and the rally reports and photos for a long
time. I have read as many books and articles as I can get my hands on. I
hope one day to purchase my very own vintage Airstream and join in the fun.
I am looking forward to following the discussions on the valist. I'm
always eager to learn as much as I can about Airstreams and their owners.
Thomas Waugh
me1sirius@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:41:55 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Newcomer to valist
Welcome, to the list. Remember Old Airstreams never die they just get a new
puller!
GShippen
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From: "Thomas Waugh" <me1sirius@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:58 PM
Subject: [VAL] Newcomer to valist
> Hi!
> My name is Tom Waugh and I live in Alexandria, Va. I have been an
> Airstream fanfor many years (my family and friends think I'm obsessed).
I
> have enjoyed the VAC website and the rally reports and photos for a long
> time. I have read as many books and articles as I can get my hands on. I
> hope one day to purchase my very own vintage Airstream and join in the
fun.
> I am looking forward to following the discussions on the valist. I'm
> always eager to learn as much as I can about Airstreams and their owners.
>
>
> Thomas Waugh
> me1sirius@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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