Argosy

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By Tom on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:38 pm:

Hi John,

I just have to reply to some of your statements re:Argosy vs Airstream.

Argosy which was built by Airstream is an Airstream with some differences.

Make that many differences.

My Argosy was built a little lighter than Airstream, for example the floors are 1/2 inch plywood good one side and not marine grade ( there is some myth that Airstream floors are marine grade but I don't know the reality of this first hand)

Let me 'de-myth' this for you, John. Yes, Airstream *did use* marine grade plywood in lots of their trailers. Mine for instance, is a 1969 International Ambassador 29' model with "full rear bath." Yes, I absolutely love the "full rear bath."

I did a tiny bit of floor repair (cut out the old and installed the new) at the front door of our trailer. The wooden floor *is* made out of marine grade plywood. However, it is *3/4-inch* thick marine grade plywood. So much for myths, eh? I would guarantee you that IF you got the same sized Airstream trailer and Argosy of the same year, the Argosy would be *a lot heavier* than my Airstream classic, all aluminum travel trailer.

Reason? The Argosy is made of, as you found out, *galvanized* sheet metal whereas the Airstream is made out of *aluminum*. This makes for quite a difference in the weight of each unit. My 29' Airstream weighs in at #5500. How's that for a lightweight travel trailer of the 29 foot variety? Today, yes they weigh more and it's mainly due to a lot of upgrades Airstream decided on it's own to make. I don't *need* Corian counter tops for instance.

....and the Vista View and Wrap Around corner windows are single glazed.

And? What does this mean? I've not had one problem out of my windows. In fact, when I any windows break now due to trash and debris from the highway, *I make my own.* That's right, I make my own windows because the Airstream factory has *cheapened* the quality of the window frame SO MUCH that I won't even bother ordering one from any dealer anymore. I just "make my own."

I have had dry rot across the rear floor and down the curb side from a combination of burst water pipes and an inherent design fault IMHO where the Bumper Box meets the frame.

"Inherent design flaw"? Really? Why haven't I been as unlucky with my Airstream classic?

Look at the steel cross member inside the box to the front and check for rust in the frame in this section as well. The end caps in my unit were badly rusted and pitted and I discovered that Airstream had not painted under the
running lights or the name plaque, and these locations had rusted right through the galvanizing.


I'm assuming you bought this Argosy trailer *new*? Otherwise, if you got it used, you don't know what the "complete" history is of your trailer. I can assure you, John, that Airstream would not miss an obvious defect as you've described. I would also assure you that lots of so-called mechanics would do crappy work like this.

John Brooke,

Tom in NC
WBCCI #5303

By HHamp5246@aol.com on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:39 pm:

In a message dated 6/14/99 8:41:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thomm@vnet.net writes:

Reason? The Argosy is made of, as you found out, *galvanized* sheet metal whereas the Airstream is made out of *aluminum*.

Actually, I owned an Argosy...it *is* made out of aluminum except for the end caps which were galvanized steel. (?). I know this because there was a discussion on the rv newsgroup and I went out with a magnet and checked.

Hunter

By Tom on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:40 pm:

Hunter,

And with the galvanized steel sheetmetal the trailer weighs more. Also, you have a perfect setup for dissimilar metal corrosion. The galvanized metal will eventually rust and rust oxide creates it's own oxygen which allows steel to rust "beneath" paint, etc. The Argosy was made as a good trailer, but it was not made to "compete" with the Airstream classis.

Tom in NC

By Philip Tipler on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:44 pm:

Hi John,

I just have to reply to some of your statements re:Argosy vs Airstream.

So much for myths, eh? I would guarantee you that IF you got the same sized Airstream trailer and Argosy of the same year, the Argosy would be *a lot heavier* than my Airstream classic, all aluminum travel trailer.


This is simply not true.

Reason? The Argosy is made of, as you found out, *galvanized* sheet metal whereas the Airstream is made out of *aluminum*. This makes for quite a difference in the weight of each unit. My 29' Airstream weighs in at #5500. How's that for a lightweight travel trailer of the 29 foot variety?

Again, not true. The Argosy has steel end caps, but the rest of the trailer used the same aluminum (possibly blemished stock) that A/S used.

John Brooke has considerable experience restoring his Argosy. He IS intimately familiar with his trailer. I've been around Airstreams and Argosys for a long while, but John impresses me with his knowledge of the marque.

Philip Tipler

By Lashway on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:45 pm:

This makes for quite a difference in the weight of each unit. My 29' Airstream weighs in at #5500. How's that for a lightweight travel trailer of the 29 foot variety?

My '78, 30 ft Argosy has a label weight of 6300 lbs. All aluminum with steel end caps. Argosy's tended to be a little lighter in weight due to the single pane windows (dbl pane in a/s), lighter weight goucher couch and a few less accessories. Otherwise not much different then same year a/s.

Roy

By Lashway on Tuesday, August 24, 1999 - 06:47 pm:

The Argosy was made as a good trailer, but it was not made to "compete" with the Airstream classis.

Tom:

Obvioulsy Airstream would not have attemped to "compete" with itself - "compliment" is a word that better fits the Argosy relationship within the company.

Roy